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    I know I have gotten on a sight recognition or first name basis at some places I play, and that can be troublesome. Like you, I try to avoid too much familiarity. In most stores in Vegas, I am nothing but a fleeting wisp of wind. Of course, that is a luxury not easily afforded a full-timer like yourself.

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    This brings to mind the importance of record keeping. One store knows me very well. Too much for comfort, but it wasn't until I reviewed my records using a different view that I found out that this store has witnessed a the largest largest cumulative loss of any that I play. So now I know that for the time being, I can relax a bit and possibly up my play a little until it finally catches up to me.

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    These are very interesting lessons and tales. I had a session (I'm still a ploppy, as I believe it's called) where I sat with two hundred and left with $3,400. During that game I noticed the floor was watching my table intently. I commented to another player and he said she was probably bored. I guess prob not. When I cashed out the cage placed a call to both th EITS and the pit. Does that happen often?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjackomaha View Post
    Appreciate all of the input. Just curious - why would they allow me to come back and play on a different shift the same day if they had figured me out? Not that it was the smartest move, but I had my reasons for returning.
    It is possible that they know you're a counter, but don't consider you a serious threat, have you calculated an hourly EV for your play at this store?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    As you pointed out, there were sufficient reasons for the EITS to take notice-- first and foremost, splitting tens, then transacting a black, and remotely possible, the EITS knew it was a plus count. The PS did not show much confidence in his own abilities to detect counting, since he indicated displeasure that now he was also being observed, ostensibly to see if he was any good as a first line of defense. He seemed to conclude that the OP was just another ploppy, but the EITS may not soon forget. Sometime when things are less hectic for him (he has many diverse duties), he may evaluate the OP, and maybe just to confirm how lame the PS really is.
    Out of curiosity, do you, or anyone else, know how far back play is generally observed to determine your threat level? I'm sure this varies slightly from place to place depending on their tolerance level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaces Aces
    These are very interesting lessons and tales. I had a session (I'm still a ploppy, as I believe it's called) where I sat with two hundred and left with $3,400. During that game I noticed the floor was watching my table intently. I commented to another player and he said she was probably bored. I guess prob not. When I cashed out the cage placed a call to both th EITS and the pit. Does that happen often?
    I think so, but I can't tell you exactly how often.

    The pit was watches action. Your two hundred to 3+k is action. I've seen multiple pit come over to surround and watch a civilian who was winning. The pit can get very nervous that they're missing something. They're trying to catch the cheats and APs.

    Another reason for the call at cash out is that your amount was above the choke point for the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaces Aces View Post
    These are very interesting lessons and tales. I had a session (I'm still a ploppy, as I believe it's called) where I sat with two hundred and left with $3,400. During that game I noticed the floor was watching my table intently. I commented to another player and he said she was probably bored. I guess prob not. When I cashed out the cage placed a call to both th EITS and the pit. Does that happen often?
    Most places generally have a threshold that you can cash out with without ID or verification. Some places it's $2k, others it's $2.5k, others it's higher. When you hit that point and wish to cash, they'll require confirmation from the pit or EITS that you won it, make sure nothing 'shady' is going on, etc. Sometimes they'll require your ID. If you can, try to keep cashouts below their threshold. Also, after a large win like that, try not to cash out immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjackomaha View Post
    Most places generally have a threshold that you can cash out with without ID or verification. Some places it's $2k, others it's $2.5k, others it's higher. When you hit that point and wish to cash, they'll require confirmation from the pit or EITS that you won it, make sure nothing 'shady' is going on, etc. Sometimes they'll require your ID. If you can, try to keep cashouts below their threshold. Also, after a large win like that, try not to cash out immediately.
    Not cashing in black or larger chips immediately after winning them can cause you headaches down the line in smaller casinos. Try approaching the cashier at the Pioneer( as one example) with a handful of black chips you didn't just win and see what happens- it won't be pretty. You have to know your casino.
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    How far back?

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjackomaha View Post
    Out of curiosity, do you, or anyone else, know how far back play is generally observed to determine your threat level? I'm sure this varies slightly from place to place depending on their tolerance level.
    My guess is, not very far. Some EITS claim a memory like a steel trap. I rather doubt it. A lot depends on how much of an impression you made. I assume you're talking "unrated." Rated players theoretically may be in the database forever. If you are unrated, all they have is a tag and a picture. That's not much to go on after a long time has elapsed. So far, I am not much concerned with facial recognition software; I think it is over-rated. Others may disagree.

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    “Hey, check #5 at table 12. He bought in for 200 and is up 3K.” It is now in the eye’s hands and he has to count you down. Even a counter turning 200 into 3400 isn’t a regular day. Your entire play will be evaluated and the eye will be responsible for a report to his supervisor. Depending on the store a decision can come from the eye or his supervisor.
    The cage at your store is instructed to find out where you played to get your chips. 3400 at Coast casinos in Vegas will always bring questions of where you played and then a call the pit to verify.

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