Trip in Vegas report

**max85** · 06-07-2013, 06:32 AM

Hey guys I thought I would write about my trip and get some feedback from the gurus. I have travelled over 24hrs to get here for a 6 day bj trip. I'm playing $5 to 15$ min tables dd and 6 deck, using cbjn I've come up with 44 casinos to visit all grouped in particular areas. I was going to visit the north and south, Henderson etc casinos etc. do you think it's worth travelling to visit them? Wall they pick a non local straight away?

last night I played some dd for the first time and man I cant believe the pit boss was sweating my play the whole time. He literally stood and stared at my game the whole 10 to 15 minutes I was playing. I was only spreading 1-8 but because he was watching so much and flat bet even at some high counts etc. I came out on top for that session but just couldn't believe the heat (or maybe I'm paranoid.....).

anyway I arrived last night and played dd for 1 quick session and some 6 deck at the mirage but couldn't find any tables with less than 4 players it was just too busy but won't busy enough to Wong.

anyway having fun and good to be back in Vegas.

**Intermediate** · 06-07-2013, 07:06 AM

Stay away from the DD at the Mirage. They will review your play after you leave and then BO you the next time you sit down, and then you will be toast at all the MGM properties. It's definitely worth traveling North, South, West and East for the lower minimum 2D and 6D games. Keep your sessions short. The near off strip places., e.g., Orleans, always has visiting foreigners so I don't think you would have to worry about sticking out amid a sea of locals.

**max85** · 06-07-2013, 07:17 AM

Ok cool I just played dd at ti and the 6 deck at mirage. The mirage dd was 25$ min.
ok cheers for the response.

for the first time today I actually realised and appreciated the skill a pro has playing an act etc its so hard to play and concentrate and play as a ploppy

**D.A.** · 06-07-2013, 07:24 AM

If you are playing low limits, be careful that travel between casinos doesn't eat your profits and your time. I'd try to focus on 3-6 unrelated properties in 1 small geographic area and mix sessions according to shift change. No need to play 15-20 different casinos unless you want to for the experience or if you are getting any heat.

**max85** · 06-07-2013, 08:02 AM

I agree the casinos off the strip I have scheduled in to visit between other activities with the mrs, so really it's just for the experience although they do seem to have the best rules according to cbjn. I think I will narrow it down to less, as the more is just a pain in the butt.

appreciate the comments

**HowMany** · 06-07-2013, 08:07 AM

The OP said he was "only" spreading 8-1.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems like a good spread for double-deck.

**max85** · 06-07-2013, 08:53 AM

Yeah that's correct however at that particular session the pb literally watched my game as soon as I made my first bet fluctuation, the count went from negative 2 to plus 3 in two rounds so my bet went from $10 to $50 then bam he was like a hawk.

is this normal in DD games?

**Goatlife** · 06-07-2013, 09:13 AM

how hot is it there weather wise... it is unbearable to walk up and down the strip all day every day?

KJ · 06-07-2013, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by max85

Yeah that's correct however at that particular session the pb literally watched my game as soon as I made my first bet fluctuation, the count went from negative 2 to plus 3 in two rounds so my bet went from $10 to $50 then bam he was like a hawk.

is this normal in DD games?

A couple random thoughts and suggestions about playing Vegas.

It's been said many times, but.....many double deck games are counter traps. If you are going to play them, keep sessions short and be extra careful with related properties. Also there are a number of stores that hawk their DD game, but pay much less attention to their decent 6 deck game (sometimes even at the next table).

A 1-8 spread is pretty healthy for DD. If you are going to use such a spread, don't come off the top with your minimum bet. Start off the top with 2-3 minimum bets and spread down as well as up. This will help as you will rarely show both sides, your minimum wager and max wager in the same set of cards. (this wouldn't have helped in the situation you described where the count went from -2 to +3 in the same set of cards, but it will be beneficial most sessions)

In my mind the strength of Vegas is quantity of games in close proximity. There are many, what I consider playable games. It is important to play a large rotation of these games if you live here or visit often. If you are an occasional visitor with a limited stay planned, like 6 days, I would shrink that rotation down to 12-15 games and maybe even reduce further down to 8-10 the last 2-3 days, concentrating on the better opportunities. In other words, avoiding backoffs isn't that big a deal for limited, occasional visits.

Enjoy yourself and be careful the next 3 days. It's real hot for this time of year with temps of 110 predicted for the next 3 days.

**Goatlife** · 06-07-2013, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by max85

Yeah that's correct however at that particular session the pb literally watched my game as soon as I made my first bet fluctuation, the count went from negative 2 to plus 3 in two rounds so my bet went from $10 to $50 then bam he was like a hawk.

is this normal in DD games?

your playing for low stakes and vegas is a destination your not going to frequent a lot so if I were you I would play these double decks because there really isn't that much harm you can do yourself and they are usually good games with good cuts at off strip places for your stakes. But yes, vegas double deck is sweaty as it gets. If the sweat is getting to you you can try the 6 deck games In the same pits as the pitch games.. usually more tolerant and you should find a lot of places that cut a deck off.

ill help you out a little on where not to play even though it looks like you played there. REmember, I play different stakes than you so I don't know if this info even applies but ill give you what I think are the worst spots to play in vegas. Tropicana, Treasure island, NY NY, south point and sometimes monti carlo.......I'm not going to mention other stores that you def shouldn't play In because they might only have 6;5 or csm games for 10 dollars games so no point in going there anyway.. hopes this helps

**DM21** · 06-07-2013, 09:18 AM

Yeah, 1-8 is pretty aggressive on DD, a 5 unit jump in bet is also aggressvise. I usually try to parlay or chip up to get more money on the tale after a win and chase a little after losses. Since you are there for a short period and won't be back for a while I wouldn't worry too much about it if you keep your sessions short. After you hit your max spread don't play too much more after that becasue it could trigger a skills check and it could only take two or three shuffles to figure you out. Sounds like you are having fun, I hope all goes well :-)

**HowMany** · 06-07-2013, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by smallcapgrowth

how hot is it there weather wise... it is unbearable to walk up and down the strip all day every day?

I was in Vegas the past two summers. I experienced temps in the 110+ range. I would always walk from one casino to the next.

The heat never really bothered me much. For me, it feels like I'm sitting next to a bonfire. But worth noting is the fact that I am only there for 5-7 days at a time. If I had to endure the heat for the entire summer, I'll bet it would wear me down. Perhaps KJ could comment.

**mcallister3200** · 06-07-2013, 03:05 PM

Nyny at small stakes is unplayable, they recently changed almost every 15 or under minimum table to 6:5. The strip in general is trash for a low stakes player. A few games with decent rules and marginal cuts, but not crowded enough to conveniently ong during day during the week. If your not a local, d.a.has a good suggestion for approach. Smallcap, its getting pretty warm, I think I'd rather stick my junk in a blender than walk the strip all day long.