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    The Five Biggest Blackjack Myths with Blackjack Expert Henry Tamburin


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    Is he still standing in front of grossly expensive "classes" claiming Speed Count has 85% the advantage of HiLo? He needs to come clean on this wildly inaccurate claim.
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    Norm,

    I was never a supporter of the Speed Count but I was curious to know how you discovered that Speed Count has 30% the advantage of KO.
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    I simmed it. As did MathProf (Mike Canjar). We came up with the same results. I seem to remember Cacarulo did too. The sims they performed were awful. For HiLo, they used ridiculous betting ramps including raising bets at negative EV and no indices. It was an embarrassing episode in our field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    I simmed it. As did MathProf (Mike Canjar). We came up with the same results. I seem to remember Cacarulo did too. The sims they performed were awful. For HiLo, they used ridiculous betting ramps including raising bets at negative EV and no indices. It was an embarrassing episode in our field.
    Didn't realize that. Thanks.

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    Which is worse the 2,5 count or speed count I wonder?

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    How does this speed-count work, anywho?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingStoned View Post
    How does this speed-count work, anywho?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boQbuyDjWnc
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    REKO or the basic version of Red 7 are every bit as easy as The Speed Count and much much more powerful. Tamburin's "Take the Money and Run" was my first gambling book (bought at Books-a-Million) way back in the early 1990's which had a good treatment of High-Low and the I-18...and fortunately a very good bibliography which enabled me to quickly find the most worthwhile books on blackjack. He did a good job at getting his book into the stores because his was one of the only ones I could find right on the shelf in my small Southern USA town.
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    We have all these discussions about just how much advantage higher level counts are worth (if any). I am a proponent of keeping things simple, with a level one count as most probably know. A level one count like hi-lo of KO is pretty darn simple. Whenever I hear of a count like speed count that is easier than a level, I immediately think "easier than level 1". ?? That just seems like a person who is saying, "I am not willing to put any effort, what-so-ever into learning to play with an advantage."
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    Quote Originally Posted by njrich520 View Post
    Is that the dumbest count ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingStoned View Post
    How does this speed-count work, anywho?
    Someone "invents" this count every few years. OPP is the same count. Cacarulo and I worked on it for awhile and discarded it because of its weakness. Kim Lee invented it on the spot at a party and called it the "drunk count." Jake Smallwood came up with it 25 years ago calling it the Qwik Count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Whenever I hear of a count like speed count that is easier than a level, I immediately think "easier than level 1". ?? That just seems like a person who is saying, "I am not willing to put any effort, what-so-ever into learning to play with an advantage."
    Nah, not simple enough. Not only do I want Google Glass to read and count the cards for me, I want Google Arm to lift my hand and push forward the bet and Google Crane to lift my drink to my lips.
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