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    Playing Three hands

    Who it be beneficial to play three hands in blackjack when the card indicate that we have an advantage? If not why not.

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    I think the way it works, don't hold me to this, is the count has to get fairly high, >TC3, to go to three hands. But usually the benefit of going to multiple hands is not that great. Also, when you do go to 3 or more hands you have to reduce the bets. Wong has something on multiple hands and I'll try to dig it up for you.

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    It's on p204 of Pro. BJ by Wong. It shows how much to bet with multiple hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    Who it be beneficial to play three hands in blackjack when the card indicate that we have an advantage? If not why not.
    It all comes down to "cards used per dollar bet". Because you have to bet less per hand when playing multiple hands to keep the volatility from going thru the roof, playing three hands with 60% as much on each hand usually uses up more cards per dollar bet -- except when you take up the last three spots on the table. And then it is marginal.
    One other time however, that you would want to play three hands is when the count is positive and you're quite sure this will be the last round of the shoe. Then, you'll be getting down 180% as much money (vs one hand), or 140% as much (vs two hands) to finish that advantageous shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzey View Post
    It all comes down to "cards used per dollar bet". Because you have to bet less per hand when playing multiple hands to keep the volatility from going thru the roof, playing three hands with 60% as much on each hand usually uses up more cards per dollar bet -- except when you take up the last three spots on the table. And then it is marginal.
    One other time however, that you would want to play three hands is when the count is positive and you're quite sure this will be the last round of the shoe. Then, you'll be getting down 180% as much money (vs one hand), or 140% as much (vs two hands) to finish that advantageous shoe.
    It sound as if it is not a good idea to play multiple hands. In some casino when playing three hands. They ask for 5 times the minimum bet. Are they doing that to keep the volatility high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    It sound as if it is not a good idea to play multiple hands. In some casino when playing three hands. They ask for 5 times the minimum bet. Are they doing that to keep the volatility high?
    No they are doing it so you don't take up too many seats for other players. As far as I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJer View Post
    No they are doing it so you don't take up too many seats for other players. As far as I know.
    It make sense that if the count is to your advantage and play three hand the bet ratio will be 15 to 1 since the casino require 5 times the minimum bet for playing three hands. However, it is true that it also increase volatility.

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    An AP when in a positive situation will want 3 spots, sometimes this can be very powerfull under certain circumstances, more so than other circumstances, but I am lucky in that area, circumstances.

    I know an AP team that play at slow times and take all 6 spots on a fine 6d game, and do very well.

    If you have SKILLZ you want all the action you can get, when in a positive situation.

    Ouchez
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    It make sense that if the count is to your advantage and play three hand the bet ratio will be 15 to 1 since the casino require 5 times the minimum bet for playing three hands. However, it is true that it also increase volatility.
    Correct.

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    If you're not bumping up against table max it is never a good idea to play three hands...EXCEPTION...if you KNOW it's going to be the last round of a shoe anyway, then you could play three hands to enable you to see more cards or possibly to reduce your risk at the same EV. Generally if your one hand bet is $100, then you can make two hand bets of $75 or three hand bets of around $60 at the same risk of ruin.

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    If heads up, most people play 1 spot to enable them to have more chances to make accurate bets between shuffles.
    With others you should always play 2 spots (although many players will drop to 1 spot when the count tanks and make the other players eat up the negative rounds).

    Beware, spot spreading on pitch games can be hazardous to your playing lifespan.

    If you're bumping up against Table Max and three hands is the only way to get the amount of money on the table that you feel obligated to bet, it's your call. You should be aware of card usage and have already maxed out your two spot bets before moving to three hands.

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    bigplayer
    mentions "Table Max" bringing to mind, a guideline of mine.

    "ƒ£å§h's dictum":

    Never bet more than 1/2 of the Table Max.

    Never bet more than 1/3 of the Table Max if the joint is sweaty.

    Never bet more than 1/4 of the Table Max if you detect heat but have not yet left.


    Rationale:

    EVERY casino has choke points where staff are directed to alert their superiors to your play.
    At threshold amounts, the Pit Boss will be told; while enough cash/chips - the shift manager is contacted.
    While the figures for buy-ins and top bets are generally gross amounts e.g. $500 play or $5,000 buy-in,
    Those amounts are, in most cases, simple multiples of their table maximums. Reasonable logic used.
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    Flash,

    A record of 80% session win rate, over a period of months or even a few years, and clearly playing with obvious SKILLZ, (that you cannot totally hide), will get you booted, T-Passed, the same as a super hi-roller AP, it will just take longer, but the damage will be the same.

    Ouchez

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