1. Blackjack Crusader: ? for Don

What is the average unit bet if using Oscar's Grind?

Thanx for your time!

2. Don Schlesinger: Re: ? for Don

> What is the average unit bet if using Oscar's Grind?

I have no idea. I assume that you mean if you are playing blackjack, because the game that you're playing matters, of course.

Maybe someone can run a sim. May I ask your reason for inquiring? We don't get a lot of progression questions around here! :-)

Don

3. Blackjack Crusader: Re: ? for Don

> I have no idea. I assume that you mean if you are
> playing blackjack, because the game that you're
> playing matters, of course.

> Maybe someone can run a sim. May I ask your reason for
> inquiring? We don't get a lot of progression questions
> around here! :-)

> Don

Yes, playing blackjack with Catch 22 indices.

Don't worry I know progressions don't work, However, I am curious about using Oscars or perhaps a more useful progression in a more appropriate situation.

Thnx again

4. Zenfighter: Don, is going to fire me! :-)

For recreational purposes or as cover plays, in a casino where you are counting at their BJ tables, you can select an independent trial?s game, let?s say roulette (single zero, not the American one) or craps with the even (almost even) bets and lay your progression there. The ?best? one seems to be The Fibonacci. You will lose against any negative expectation game in the long run, naturally, but let?s say you will last a little bit longer, while showing a distinct air of ?superiority? over the average gambler.

Fibonacci: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144 and so on.

Winning = bet the next one
Losing = reduce two steps back

Hope this doesn?t help! :-)

Zf

5. Dog Hand: Be Prepared to Bet BIG!

> What is the average unit bet if using Oscar's Grind?

First, I had to search the Web to find out exactly what "Oscar's Grind" (OG) is. I finally located a clear description on bjmath: see link.

I simmed OG in Excel for a hypothetical game in which each hand is either a win or a loss: no ties, no double downs, no BJ bonuses. Think of flipping an unbiased coin, so the winning probability p=0.5. The Excel sheet calculated the results for 50,000 games and displayed the Average bet, the Max bet, and the Player's Edge (in percent). Here are the results for 10 runs:
```
p = 0.50
Avg   Max Edge
12.9  292 -0.16
11.6  480 +1.33
9.3  312 +1.65
15.5  346 +0.92
14.0  383 +1.02
27.2  773 +0.53
57.4 1318 +0.24
7.3  288 +2.19
15.7  612 +0.97
57.4 1212 -1.76
```
.

Now, if you're lucky enough to get a coin biased in your favor, such that p = 0.51, these are the simmed results:
```
p = 0.51
Avg   Max Edge
11.9  574 +1.39
6.4  245 +2.72
6.2  195 +2.74
5.8  150 +2.99
5.4  179 +3.21
19.8  821 +0.78
6.0  167 +2.75
6.5  195 +2.62
5.9  205 +2.80
5.2  142 +3.26
```
.

So what happens if the biased coin is against you, such that p = 0.49? Here are the gory details:
```
p = 0.49
Avg   Max   Edge
7622.6 19315 -2.06
2939.7 11709 -1.75
26.6   567 +0.46
11647.8 23891 -1.98
1760.6  9214 -2.70
7786.9 19458 -2.18
65.4  1527 +0.15
7914.9 19719 -1.53
198.8  2069 -0.82
26.9   490 +0.45
```
.

Finally, just for kicks, I ran a case with p = 0.48:
```
p = 0.48
Avg   Max   Edge
10620.3 22627 -3.57
11165.0 23209 -3.50
10514.4 22482 -3.84
11718.0 23810 -3.24
8486.8 20120 -4.45
10059.2 21917 -4.48
10088.7 22003 -3.92
376.1  3898 -2.73
9028.0 20878 -3.41
10611.2 22590 -3.82
```
.

As you can see, even in the most-optimistic case shown, you'll need to be prepared to place a max bet of over 800 units.

If you'd like a copy of the Excel spreadsheet, shoot me an email and I'll send it to you.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

7. Zenfighter: Re: Instructive data

Your both examples, mainly those addressed at the realistic .49 and .48 expectations, are very instructive, and show clearly, what to expect from this inveterate gamblers'nonsense.

Zf

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