I ran a sim the other day; I got a winrate of about $42/hr, and with a 10K bank, the RoR was 13.5%. I took that to mean that the game & playing & betting strategies were all fairly decent.
CVData told me, however, that the DI for this sim was 4.31, with a resulting c-SCORE of $18.57. Was I wrong in assuming that $42/hr with a $10K bank and a 13.5% RoR implies a decent game & system? Why is the DI so low?
pm
> I ran a sim the other day; I got a winrate of about
> $42/hr, and with a 10K bank, the RoR was 13.5%. I took
> that to mean that the game & playing & betting
> strategies were all fairly decent.
> CVData told me, however, that the DI for this sim was
> 4.31, with a resulting c-SCORE of $18.57. Was I wrong
> in assuming that $42/hr with a $10K bank and a 13.5%
> RoR implies a decent game & system? Why is the DI
> so low?
Something is wrong somewhere. If you used $10,000 of bank and your bet scheme produced a ROR of 13.5%, your approach should have been, more or less, optimal. The $42/hr win rate and the $18.57 are obviously incompatible. One of them is wrong.
Are you certain that the CVData sim gave an answer in dollars, and not in units??
Don
> Something is wrong somewhere. If you used $10,000 of
> bank and your bet scheme produced a ROR of 13.5%, your
> approach should have been, more or less, optimal. The
> $42/hr win rate and the $18.57 are obviously
> incompatible. One of them is wrong.
> Are you certain that the CVData sim gave an answer in
> dollars, and not in units??
> Don
The c-SCORE was actually listed as 18.57; I just assumed it was dollars. It couldn't be units; the unit was $65 (small spread obviously).
I can't see anything obvious that I might have done wrong. I ran the sim and got a winrate of $42.48/hr, I brought up the RoR calculator and loaded the info from the sim, I entered 154 units as the bank, and I got an RoR of about 13.5%. But in the "Performance" section, it lists DI as 4.31 & SCORE as 18.57. ??
Hey Norm, am I still misinterpreting CVData's results?
Can you give me the game, rules, spread, unit size, units won/hr, dollars won/hr, and SD/hr, please?
Don
Actually, this example might be more useful. I tried to reproduce some BJRM results (optimal calcs) and I had the same problem with the DI:
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SETUP
4.5/6 S17 DAS LS
I18 Fab4
100 hands/hr
5 players
Wong in +1, wong out 0, enter shoe multiple times
1-12 (ramp: 1/2/3/5/6/7/9/10/12)
$41 unit
$10,000 bank
Round TCs & decks, 1/2 deck resolution
RESULTS
BJRM: Win/100: $60.24 (1.47 units)
SD/100: $776 (18.93 units)
ROR: 13.49%
DI: 7.77
CVData: Win/hr: $60.33 (1.47 units)
SD/100: $852 (20.78 units)
ROR: 18.78%
DI: 4.01
The SD & RoR were a little higher and the DI was much lower. I ran a similar sim except it was play-all, and the DI's matched up pretty closely in that one. Seems like I tend to get strange DI values with wonging sims. Any idea?
pm
By the way, my previous post has a strange link at the bottom; I think I had some malware on my machine that snuck that in there somehow.
I went to both softwares (BJRM and CVCX) and was able to get results that were very similar (including the DIs) with both.
So, I'm afraid I can't help, because I can't reproduce your error.
Don
I was actually comparing CVData results to BJRM results. Also, I think I might see what's going on; it looks like a possible bug in CVData. If you could take a quick glance..
In CVData, when "skipped hands" are included, these are the results:
Win/100 = 1.4714
SD/100 = 20.7767
When "skipped hands" are NOT included, these are the results:
Win/100 = 4.5955
SD/100 = 36.718
If you calculate (1.4714/36.718 * 100), you get an incorrect DI of 4.01, which is the exact value that I'm seeing in the summary screen. It looks like CVData is using the win/100 that includes "skipped hands" and the SD/100 that does NOT include skipped hands to calculate the DI. This would also explain why the DI is calculated correctly in a play-all sim, since there is only one set of values in those sims.
1.4714/20.7767 * 100 = 7.08; I'm assuming that would be the correct DI.
??
pm
Everything that you've written is correct. I hope Norm will see this. You have to be careful with the DI for back-counting.
Don
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