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Thread: Redhook: BC, PE, and IC

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    Redhook
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    Redhook: BC, PE, and IC

    Comparing the BC, PE, and IC factors of the various counting systems...

    If a counting system could be altered to improve one of these factors (by 5% say), which would most increase the win rate of the system? Which is the second most important? Is there a rule of thumb?

    Redhook

  2. #2
    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: Re: BC, PE, and IC

    > Comparing the BC, PE, and IC factors of the various
    > counting systems...

    > If a counting system could be altered to improve one
    > of these factors (by 5% say), which would most
    > increase the win rate of the system? Which is the
    > second most important? Is there a rule of thumb?

    Unfortunately, there's no rule of thumb. You need to run sims and calculate the SCOREs.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: BC, PE, and IC

    > Comparing the BC, PE, and IC factors of the various
    > counting systems...

    > If a counting system could be altered to improve one
    > of these factors (by 5% say), which would most
    > increase the win rate of the system? Which is the
    > second most important? Is there a rule of thumb?

    > Redhook

    The answer depends greatly on the spread you employ and the rules of the game. For shoe games with large spreads, I suppose BC is most important. For SD with small spreads, PE becomes important. I doubt if the correct answer would ever be IC.

    Don

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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: Pocket calculations

    While the SCORE method will answer your question in a completely satisfactory manner, you can probably get not too bad results with Griffin?s empirical formula, as per Chapter 4 from the TOB.

    Let?s use the Hi-Opt I without the ace side count.

    BC = .88
    PE = .61

    Units won per hand = [8(k ? 1) * BC + 5(k + 1)* PE] / 1000

    Here k units are bet on ANY favourable deck, otherwise the wager is one.

    1) SD with a 1 to 4 spread.

    Uwph = (24* .88 + 25 * .61) / 1000 = 0.03637

    Increasing a 5% the BC yields: BC = .92

    While a 5% with the PE means: PE = .64

    For the first case we get

    Uwph = (24 * .92 + 25 * .61) / 1000 = 0.03733 (a 2.64% increase)

    And for the second

    Uwph = (24 * .88 + 25 * .64) / 1000 = 0.03712 (a 2.06% increase)

    Increasing here the BC is a winner, but the margin will be wider when multiple-deck spreads are employed.

    2) Multiple decks with a 1 to 16 spread.

    Uwph = (120 * .88 + 85 * .61) / 1000 = 0.15745

    Increasing a 5% the BC yields

    Uwph = (120 * 92 + 85 *.61) / 1000 = 0.16225 (a 3.05% increase)

    While increasing a 5% the PE

    Uwph = (120 *.88 + 85 *.64) / 1000 = 0.16000 (an 1.62% increase)

    Despite all the above simplified pocket calculations, one thing remains still clear, and that is, that selecting a point count system with a high betting correlation is of paramount importance for the multi-deck player. We can bet on this without any type of sims.

    Hope this helps.

    Zenfighter


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    Redhook
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    Redhook: Thanks Zenfighter! *NM*


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