# Thread: Redhook: Side counting question...

1. ## Cacarulo: Re: question

> Do you mind me asking how you performed your
> "Hi-Lo/A" count in your simulation?

> Was the ace counted as neutral in all playing
> decisions, or selected playing decisions?

Yes, the ace was counted as neutral in all playing decisions (Catch-22). Only for betting purposes it was counted as -1 (Hi-Lo).

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Cac

2. ## john lewis: Re: question

> Yes, the ace was counted as neutral in all playing
> decisions (Catch-22) [with the exception of insurance, I assume -- jl]. Only for betting purposes it was
> counted as -1 (Hi-Lo).

> Cac

Thank you very much for your response.

The technique you used is certainly the traditional one. It is the one suggested by Wong in his early editions of Professional Blackjack.

After much reflection, however, I am skeptical that this technique optimally employs ace information for playing strategy.

Would you agree, for example, that for hard doubles on 10, 9, and 8 the ace would most appropriately be valued as -1? Indeed, rather than neutral, the ace is even more valuable than the 10 on these hands.

These plays comprise 6 hands of the Catch-22.

If you agree, revised SCOREs using this strategy would be of interest.

Thank you.

3. ## Cacarulo: Re: question

> The technique you used is certainly the traditional
> one. It is the one suggested by Wong in his early
> editions of Professional Blackjack.

No, I don't use Wong's technique. My method is the one used for unbalanced counts played in TC mode. Besides, I use different indices due to the imbalance of the count.

> After much reflection, however, I am skeptical that
> this technique optimally employs ace information for
> playing strategy.

Your guess is correct. It does not optimally use the ace for some of the plays.

> Would you agree, for example, that for hard doubles on
> 10, 9, and 8 the ace would most appropriately be
> valued as -1? Indeed, rather than neutral, the ace is
> even more valuable than the 10 on these hands.

Agree.

> These plays comprise 6 hands of the Catch-22.

Correct.

> If you agree, revised SCOREs using this strategy would
> be of interest.

Of course it would be better but my software in its actual state can't use different systems for different plays. It can use one system for betting and another system for playing. However, in Cac/71 I do make an exception for insurance. Don't know if the newest version of CVdata can handle more plays.

> Thank you.

You're welcome.

Sincerely,
Cac

4. ## john lewis: Re: question

"No, I don't use Wong's technique. My method is the one used for unbalanced counts played in TC mode. Besides, I use different indices due to the imbalance of the count."

This is still a hilo count, however? Or applied to a hilo count? My question pertained to the "Hi-Lo/A" count you cited in your table.

"Of course it (using values in addition to neutral for the ace in playing strategy) would be better but my software in its actual state can't use different systems for different plays."

I see. That's a problem.

Thank you very much for the response.

5. ## john lewis: Re: question

"If you agree, revised SCOREs using this strategy would be of interest." -- jl

"Of course it would be better but my software in its actual state can't use different systems for different plays. It can use one system for betting and another system for playing. However, in Cac/71 I do make an exception for insurance. Don't know if the newest version of CVdata can handle more plays." -- Cac

Cac

His response: "You can use the multi-parameter tables."

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