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Thread: Jean Jacques Robert: Mentor Count v/s Zen v/s RPC

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    Jean Jacques Robert
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    Jean Jacques Robert: Mentor Count v/s Zen v/s RPC

    I'm just learning Renzey's Mentor Count found in BJBBII, and I wish to know how it fares against Zen and RPC in 5 deck ENHC games. Unfortunately CVCX cannot run sims with 5 decks.

    Thanks for your replies.

    JJ

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    Parker
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    Parker: Re: Mentor Count v/s Zen v/s RPC

    > I'm just learning Renzey's Mentor Count
    > found in BJBBII, and I wish to know how it
    > fares against Zen and RPC in 5 deck ENHC
    > games. Unfortunately CVCX cannot run sims
    > with 5 decks.

    I ran some quick sims on the Mentor count when I read Fred's book. I didn't run ENHC, and of course no 5 deck sims (DD & 6D only), but in every sim I ran, the Mentor count came out on top against both Zen and RPC, albeit by a small, insignificant margin.

    I concluded that for all practical purposes, these counts perform about the same (with UBZ2 close behind). I would expect the results to be similar in a 5D ENHC game.

    I was impressed with the Mentor count.

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    Jean Jacques Robert
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    Jean Jacques Robert: Re: what about true counting UBZII

    It would be also interesting to know how TC UBZII performs. Would it be worthwile to TC this unbalanced count?


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    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: Which Mentor count?

    > I ran some quick sims on the Mentor count
    > when I read Fred's book. I didn't run ENHC,
    > and of course no 5 deck sims (DD & 6D
    > only), but in every sim I ran, the Mentor
    > count came out on top against both Zen and
    > RPC, albeit by a small, insignificant
    > margin.

    > I concluded that for all practical purposes,
    > these counts perform about the same (with
    > UBZ2 close behind). I would expect the
    > results to be similar in a 5D ENHC game.

    > I was impressed with the Mentor count.

    Which Mentor count are you referring to? I was also impressed with Mentor's level-3 count but not so with Mentor's level-2. Mentor III is indeed very powerful. Mentor II is however better than UBZ2, TKO, Hi-Lo/A and many other level-1 counts.
    Note: All my sims were run in 6D.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Jean Jacques Robert
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    Jean Jacques Robert: Re: Which Mentor count?

    > Which Mentor count are you referring to? I
    > was also impressed with Mentor's level-3
    > count but not so with Mentor's level-2.
    > Mentor III is indeed very powerful. Mentor
    > II is however better than UBZ2, TKO, Hi-Lo/A
    > and many other level-1 counts.
    > Note: All my sims were run in 6D.

    > Sincerely,
    > Cac

    I referred to Mentor level 2 as provided for in Blackjack Book II. What are the card valued for Mentor level 3?

    Rgds,

    JJ


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    Jean Jacques Robert
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    Jean Jacques Robert: Re: One further thought for caraculo

    > Mentor level 2 can still be improved with a betting side count ( A=-1 5=1). That would result in my opinion in an improvement of at least 5% in 5 deck shoe games.

    > Rgds,

    > JJ

    P.S. I made a quick scan of level 3 counts and found the follwing:

    A=-2 ; 2,3 & 7 = 2 ; 4,5 & 6 = 3; 9= -1; T = -3

    BC = 0.983
    PE = 0.615
    IC = 0.806

    Is this the Mentor level 3 count?


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    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: Re: One further thought for caraculo

    > P.S. I made a quick scan of level 3 counts
    > and found the follwing:

    > A=-2 ; 2,3 & 7 = 2 ; 4,5 & 6 = 3; 9=
    > -1; T = -3

    > BC = 0.983
    > PE = 0.615
    > IC = 0.806

    > Is this the Mentor level 3 count?

    Mentor III:

     A  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  T 
    -2 2 2 3 3 3 2 0 -1 -3


    Yes, that's it.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Jean Jacques Robert
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    Jean Jacques Robert: Re: One further thought for caraculo

    >
    >
    > Mentor III:
    > A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T
    > -2 2 2 3 3 3 2 0 -1 -3
    > Yes, that's it.
    > Sincerely,
    > Cac

    I still believe that Mentor level 2 with a beting side count (A=-1; 5=+1) is still stronger than Mentor level 3.

    Rgds,

    JJ

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    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: Re: One further thought for caraculo

    > I still believe that Mentor level 2 with a
    > beting side count (A=-1; 5=+1) is still
    > stronger than Mentor level 3.

    Don't know what is better but the thing is that adding a secondary count makes things more complex.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Jean Jacques Robert
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    Jean Jacques Robert: Re: Mentor v/s Zen v/s RPC: Caraculo's view

    > Don't know what is better but the thing is
    > that adding a secondary count makes things
    > more complex.

    > Sincerely,
    > Cac

    I agree. The betting side count is only for those who master completely Mentor 2. This brings me back to my main question. Would you advise me to keep mentor 2 count or switch to Zen or RPC for 5 deck shoe games?

    Thanks in advance for your reply.

    Rgds,

    JJ

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    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: Re: Mentor v/s Zen v/s RPC: Caraculo's view

    > I agree. The betting side count is only for
    > those who master completely Mentor 2. This
    > brings me back to my main question. Would
    > you advise me to keep mentor 2 count or
    > switch to Zen or RPC for 5 deck shoe games?

    > Thanks in advance for your reply.

    Mentor II is pretty close to RPC so If I were you I wouldn't make any change.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Jean Jacques Robert
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    Jean Jacques Robert: Re: Thanks for advice *NM*


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