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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: EoR's HITTING 17 - 12 Table 1

    DEALER ACE


    HITTING 17 ? 12


     
    17 16 15 14

    A -0.526159 -0.022767 0.372833 0.413335
    2 -1.54059 -0.923075 -0.14866 0.261903
    3 -2.47957 -1.66238 -0.879617 -0.133629
    4 -3.09179 -2.5294 -1.76085 -0.992203
    5 0.484363 -3.18177 -2.61486 -1.77724
    6 0.611435 -1.43148 -4.93327 -4.1737
    7 -1.39366 -0.412934 -0.22918 -3.78962
    8 -0.374445 0.53407 0.666609 0.789295
    9 0.566414 1.40156 1.48326 1.55614
    T 1.936 2.05704 2.01094 1.96143

    m -8.89048 13.7958 16.4852 19.0872

    ss 36.362 41.5325 54.08254 54.6147

    Cks -0.000002 -0.000016 0.000025 0.000001


     
    13 12

    A 0.453488 0.461997
    2 0.277501 0.29604
    3 0.252729 0.316286
    4 -0.185153 0.252868
    5 -0.945684 -0.119559
    6 -3.19094 -2.21692
    7 -3.09083 -2.17095
    8 -2.83268 -2.19048
    9 1.62455 -2.04835
    T 1.90925 1.85477

    m 21.6199 24.0898

    ss 46.25464 32.86174

    Cks -0.000019 0.000012









    A playable ace busts only 17% of the time and allows few opportunities
    for standing with 12 ? 16 as the 11th column shows.


    P. Griffin

  2. #2
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: EoR's Table 2

    DEALER ACE

    ( HIT SOFT 17 )


    HITTING 17 ? 12


     
    17 16 15 14

    A -0.606505 -0.113112 0.105991 0.167402
    2 -1.6715 -0.873526 -0.238552 0.000696513
    3 -2.65878 -1.74407 -0.859577 -0.244212
    4 -3.32392 -2.62579 -1.75298 -0.878041
    5 0.428601 -3.19323 -2.54304 -1.62685
    6 0.385148 -0.0527561 -3.60473 -2.8709
    7 -1.26941 -0.577362 -0.381479 -3.89612
    8 -0.199071 0.41922 0.555857 0.68413
    9 0.792823 1.3316 1.41287 1.49007
    T 2.03065 1.85725 1.82641 1.79346

    m -7.44212 4.69777 7.9043 11.0499

    ss 40.3851 36.9917 39.13488 42.48142

    Cks -0.000014 -0.0000261 0.000000 0.000015513



     
    13 12

    A 0.228028 0.258404
    2 0.0434489 0.0886796
    3 -0.023596 0.0735684
    4 -0.20014 0.0738965
    5 -0.716426 -0.0496961
    6 -1.91615 -0.970926
    7 -3.1152 -2.10798
    8 -2.89282 -2.16935
    9 1.56273 -2.07054
    T 1.75753 1.71894

    m 14.1218 17.1245

    ss 37.1500 26.29408

    Cks -0.0000051 0.0000144





    When the dealer is compelled to hit soft 17, the chance of
    busting the ace rises to 20%. The 11th column entries for 12 -16
    are all at least 6.00 less than those on the previous page.
    Because of the increase in busts and fewer 17?s produced,
    standing and doubling both grow in attractiveness.


    P. Griffin

  3. #3
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: EoR's Table 3

    DEALER TEN


    HITTING 17 ? 12


     
    17 16 15 14

    A -0.880385 -0.499204 -0.169937 -0.0801918
    2 -0.65774 -0.290299 0.187328 0.437433
    3 -1.74549 -0.804234 -0.31682 0.170888
    4 -2.52299 -1.72785 -0.727902 -0.26136
    5 1.24076 -2.56834 -1.75322 -0.767014
    6 1.46854 1.64458 -2.22867 -1.41493
    7 1.03881 -0.710914 -0.536984 -4.20723
    8 -0.583247 -0.0566701 0.0852692 0.224917
    9 0.0559196 0.552391 0.664224 0.773766
    T 0.646454 1.11513 1.19918 1.28093

    m -16.9323 -0.445861 3.11027 6.63862

    ss 17.41005 19.05456 15.22388 27.79884

    Cks -0.0000064 -0.0000201 0.0000082 -0.0000018


     
    13 12

    A 0.00847634 0.09782
    2 0.456437 0.452561
    3 0.404035 0.404137
    4 0.205549 0.465538
    5 -0.26448 0.236017
    6 -0.433355 0.035243
    7 -3.21515 -2.05502
    8 -3.47997 -2.5215
    9 0.88191 -2.85689
    T 1.35957 1.43552

    m 10.1258 13.5765

    ss 31.28749 27.6371

    Cks 0.00001334 -0.000014






    It is worth remarking on the magnitude of importance of the 7, 8, and 9 when contemplating
    standing with 14, 13, and 12 against a Ten. Not only are they desirable cards for the player to draw,
    but their removal produces the greatest increase in the dealer?s chance of busting.


    P. Griffin

  4. #4
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: EoR's Table 4

    DEALER 9


    HITTING 17 ? 12


     
    17 16 15 14

    A -1.47098 -0.787469 -0.399846 -0.246801
    2 -1.81093 -0.903884 -0.341951 -0.00922512
    3 -2.13022 -1.25067 -0.285328 0.209772
    4 -2.51414 -2.10067 -1.13638 -0.170142
    5 1.30722 -2.48216 -2.09476 -1.14172
    6 1.5611 1.60039 -2.2176 -1.8784
    7 1.79317 1.95559 1.91523 -1.90558
    8 1.39714 -0.215158 -0.0734656 0.0665087
    9 -0.0976993 0.387773 0.499984 0.610477
    T 0.491336 0.949064 1.03353 1.11628

    m -13.2924 2.96648 6.52536 10.0666

    ss 26.5905 23.76035 19.1516 13.9585

    Cks 0.0000047 -0.000002 0.0000034 0.00000958


     
    13 12

    A -0.0952248 0.054513
    2 0.0966892 0.202905
    3 0.473004 0.484708
    4 0.304359 0.546543
    5 -0.187841 0.32045
    6 -0.925229 0.0255495
    7 -1.57162 -0.651078
    8 -3.5968 -3.09857
    9 0.718086 -2.97722
    T 1.19614 1.27305

    m 13.571 17.0357

    ss 22.8717 26.05264

    Cks -0.0000166 0.0000005






    A 9 behaves very much like a Ten, except that the dealer?s totals
    gravitate toward 19 rather than 20. Since 19 is easier to beat, the player is
    inclined to hit and double down more often than against a Ten.


    P. Griffin

  5. #5
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: EoR's Table 5

    DEALER 8


    HITTING 17 ? 12


     
    17 16 15 14

    A -2.2913 -1.05088 -0.626284 -0.457921
    2 -2.33871 -1.38594 -0.314613 0.0424502
    3 -2.85997 -2.43771 -1.34779 -0.255674 4 -2.47536 -2.19894 -1.76435 -0.7419
    5 1.37724 -2.36073 -2.04525 -1.60912
    6 1.6552 1.72456 -2.03732 -1.77118
    7 1.83993 1.92535 1.90629 -1.89921
    8 2.18038 2.37604 2.31794 2.28689
    9 1.78107 0.201884 0.325984 0.448319
    T 0.282875 0.801591 0.896347 0.989336

    m -12.3434 5.22865 9.02769 12.8089

    ss 41.2946 34.31359 26.08121 19.5066

    Cks -0.00002 -0.000002 -0.000005 -0.0000018


     
    13 12

    A -0.291204 -0.12559
    2 0.152055 0.261938
    3 0.120518 0.24809
    4 0.282184 0.563732
    5 -0.608089 0.394101
    6 -1.38626 -0.387063
    7 -1.62222 -1.22888
    8 -1.53287 -1.30068
    9 0.567841 -3.09399
    T 1.07951 1.16709

    m 16.5563 20.2719

    ss 12.45866 18.99195

    Cks -0.000005 0.000018





    The fact that hard 17 is the most volatile of the stiff hitting situations is revealed by
    the 12th column figure of 41.0. A player who split three eights and drew (8,9), (8,7,9),
    and (8,9) would be more than 5% better off to hit the last total of 17 even though the
    hand was dealt from a full pack!


    P. Griffin

  6. #6
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: EoR's Table 6

    DEALER 7


    HITTING 17 ? 12


     
    17 16 15 14

    A -3.65244 -1.188292 -0.951247 -0.762106
    2 -2.84445 -1.92674 -0.813842 0.0342686
    3 -3.30937 -2.43861 -1.89079 -0.753367
    4 -3.70879 -2.7835 -2.33366 -1.76462
    5 0.778057 -2.32616 -1.96323 -1.58978
    6 1.16549 1.79815 -1.9439 -1.61114
    7 1.46822 2.10328 2.11507 -1.67918
    8 1.6715 2.32168 2.28691 2.25211
    9 2.00828 2.76887 2.69497 2.64796
    T 1.60587 0.591489 0.699928 0.806439

    m -37.7856 6.06516 10.1666 14.249

    ss 67.4001 68.4768 37.1472 26.89131

    Cks -0.000023 0.000006 -0.000007 -0.0000984


     
    13 12

    A -0.575317 -0.390055
    2 0.149362 0.264311
    3 0.118095 0.254583
    4 -0.60826 0.282011
    5 -1.09662 -0.0375973
    6 -1.29182 -0.853505
    7 -1.39894 -1.08291
    8 -1.53387 -1.24594
    9 2.59787 -1.23402
    T 0.909873 1.01078

    m 18.2951 22.3124

    ss 17.97879 9.4308

    Cks -0.000008 -0.0000023









    Standing with 12 against a 7 will almost never be justified as we can see
    from the large value of m in the 11th column and small value of ss in the
    12th column. Note that otherwise the 9 is almost always a more important
    high card than the Ten.


    P. Griffin

  7. #7
    bjmagic
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    bjmagic: Re: EoR's Table 6

    > DEALER 7
    > HITTING 17 ? 12
    > 17 16
    > 15 14
    > A -3.65244 -1.188292 -0.951247 -0.762106
    > 2 -2.84445 -1.92674 -0.813842 0.0342686
    > 3 -3.30937 -2.43861 -1.89079 -0.753367
    > 4 -3.70879 -2.7835 -2.33366
    > -1.76462
    > 5 0.778057 -2.32616 -1.96323 -1.58978
    > 6 1.16549 1.79815 -1.9439 -1.61114
    > 7 1.46822 2.10328 2.11507 -1.67918
    > 8 1.6715 2.32168 2.28691 2.25211
    > 9 2.00828 2.76887 2.69497 2.64796
    > T 1.60587 0.591489 0.699928 0.806439
    > m -37.7856 6.06516 10.1666
    > 14.249
    > ss 67.4001 68.4768
    > 37.1472 26.89131
    > Cks -0.000023 0.000006
    > -0.000007 -0.0000984

    Another typo. Hard 16 EOR should be -1.88292 and the SS should be 48.4768

  8. #8
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: On typos

    No contradiction again with my working papers. A big volumen of typing is proven to be dangerous.See if you find another one, we will correct absolutely everything. Thanks again for your proofreading.

    Sincerely

    Z

  9. #9
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: EoR's Table 6 (typos erased)

    DEALER 7


    HITTING 17 ? 12


     
    17 16 15 14

    A -3.65244 -1.88292 -0.951247 -0.762106
    2 -2.84445 -1.92674 -0.813842 0.0342686
    3 -3.30937 -2.43861 -1.89079 -0.753367
    4 -3.70879 -2.7835 -2.33366 -1.76462
    5 0.778057 -2.32616 -1.96323 -1.58978
    6 1.16549 1.79815 -1.9439 -1.61114
    7 1.46822 2.10328 2.11507 -1.67918
    8 1.6715 2.32168 2.28691 2.25211
    9 2.00828 2.76887 2.69497 2.64796
    T 1.60587 0.591489 0.699928 0.806439

    m -37.7856 6.06516 10.1666 14.249

    ss 67.4001 48.4768 37.1472 26.89131

    Cks -0.000023 0.000006 -0.000007 -0.0000984


     
    13 12

    A -0.575317 -0.390055
    2 0.149362 0.264311
    3 0.118095 0.254583
    4 -0.60826 0.282011
    5 -1.09662 -0.0375973
    6 -1.29182 -0.853505
    7 -1.39894 -1.08291
    8 -1.53387 -1.24594
    9 2.59787 -1.23402
    T 0.909873 1.01078

    m 18.2951 22.3124

    ss 17.97879 9.4308

    Cks -0.000008 -0.0000023









    Standing with 12 against a 7 will almost never be justified as we can see from the large value
    of m in the 11th column and small value of ss in the 12th column. Note that otherwise the 9 is
    almost always a more important high card than the Ten.


    P. Griffin

  10. #10
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: EoR's Table 5 (missing line added)

    DEALER 8


    HITTING 17 ? 12


     
    17 16 15 14

    A -2.2913 -1.05088 -0.626284 -0.457921
    2 -2.33871 -1.38594 -0.314613 0.0424502
    3 -2.85997 -2.43771 -1.34779 -0.255674
    4 -2.47536 -2.19894 -1.76435 -0.7419
    5 1.37724 -2.36073 -2.04525 -1.60912
    6 1.6552 1.72456 -2.03732 -1.77118
    7 1.83993 1.92535 1.90629 -1.89921
    8 2.18038 2.37604 2.31794 2.28689
    9 1.78107 0.201884 0.325984 0.448319
    T 0.282875 0.801591 0.896347 0.989336

    m -12.3434 5.22865 9.02769 12.8089

    ss 41.2946 34.31359 26.08121 19.5066

    Cks -0.00002 -0.000002 -0.000005 -0.0000018


     
    13 12

    A -0.291204 -0.12559
    2 0.152055 0.261938
    3 0.120518 0.24809
    4 0.282184 0.563732
    5 -0.608089 0.394101
    6 -1.38626 -0.387063
    7 -1.62222 -1.22888
    8 -1.53287 -1.30068
    9 0.567841 -3.09399
    T 1.07951 1.16709

    m 16.5563 20.2719

    ss 12.45866 18.99195

    Cks -0.000005 0.000018





    The fact that hard 17 is the most volatile of the stiff hitting situations is revealed by the 12th column figure of 41.0.
    A player who split three eights and drew (8,9), (8,7,9), and (8,9) would be more than 5% better off to hit the last total of 17 even though the hand was dealt from a full pack!


    P. Griffin

  11. #11
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: First six tables completely debugged

    After checking all the entries from tables 1 through 6 against my working papers, here is the
    complete list of typos found:

     
    Table 2 Dealer A (h s17)

    12 v A 7 = -2.10978 wrong typed = -2.10798


    Table 3 Dealer Ten

    13 v T 9 = 0.880191 wrong typed = 0.88191


    Table 6 Dealer 7

    16 v 7 A = -1.88292 wrong typed = -1.188292

    16 v 7 m = 48.4768 wrong typed = 68.4768




    Tables 7 through 12 will be completely debugged also.

    My apologies to all.

    Sincerely

    Z

  12. #12
    bjmagic
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    bjmagic: Re: EoR's Table 3

    > DEALER TEN
    > HITTING 17 ? 12
    > 13 12
    > A 0.00847634 0.09782
    > 2 0.456437 0.452561
    > 3 0.404035 0.404137
    > 4 0.205549 0.465538
    > 5 -0.26448 0.236017
    > 6 -0.433355 0.035243
    > 7 -3.21515 -2.05502
    > 8 -3.47997 -2.5215
    > 9 0.88191 -2.85689
    > T 1.35957 1.43552
    > m 10.1258 13.5765
    > ss 31.28749 27.6371
    > Cks 0.00001334 -0.000014

    Unless I have a math error. I don't think that the EOR for hard 13 v T adds up to .00001334.

    My addition says .0017323.

    Am I confused or is this a typo.

    P.S. What's the possibility of getting a copy of these tables posted in excel.

  13. #13
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: Nothing to worry

    Surprised by your Cks result, I?ve redone the whole table again with exactly the same results as printed. All the entries are fine. I couldn?t believe my eyes, given that I double checked all ss and Cks. Despite the fact that any given EoR?s table is fair enough if the checksum stays within [+/- 0.01], for the tables printed a benchmark of 0.0000 accuracy was established. For handling these types of data, computer algorithms and/or powerful statistical calculators are better than standard pocket calculators, obviously.

    Maybe you?ll be able to perform a couple of calculations with Excel, but I?m afraid you have quite a bit of work in front of you. You?re alone on this.

    Enjoy the tables.

    Sincerely

    Z


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