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Thread: 21forme: Full index table in BJA3?

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    21forme
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    21forme: Full index table in BJA3?

    Don,
    Is there a full index table (beyond the I-18) in BJA3. If so, I can't find it and would appreciate you pointing me in the right direction.
    TIA!

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: No

    > Don,
    > Is there a full index table (beyond the I-18) in BJA3.

    Nope.

    > If so, I can't find it and would appreciate you
    > pointing me in the right direction.
    > TIA!

    It's not there, because, well, the whole idea is that, especially in shoe games, the remaining indices are virtually worthless. There is the updated "Catch-22," in chapter 13.

    Beyond that, you need simulation software to generate a customized set. Again, for shoes, the extra indices you generate won't be worth a hill of beans. For SD, your mileage may vary, but, then again, you know what I think of SD for serious players, or for non-serious ones, too! :-)

    Don

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    21forme
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    21forme: Re: No

    > Nope.

    > It's not there, because, well, the whole idea is that,
    > especially in shoe games, the remaining indices are
    > virtually worthless. There is the updated
    > "Catch-22," in chapter 13.

    I understand your reasoning based on frequency of hands, but for instance...

    You're at TC +4, have a big bet out and have A,3 v 4. According to Wong's full index table, this is a double at +1. Is there any reason you wouldn't double it, assuming adequate bankroll and RA not being of primary concern?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: No

    > I understand your reasoning based on frequency of
    > hands, but for instance...

    > You're at TC +4, have a big bet out and have A,3 v 4.
    > According to Wong's full index table, this is a double
    > at +1. Is there any reason you wouldn't double it,
    > assuming adequate bankroll and RA not being of primary
    > concern?

    No, no reason. If you know the index and get the situation, it's fine to make the play. In this case, it would be worth about 2% of your bet to you.

    Now, I don't know what a "big bet" is for you, but for purposes of this illustration, let's just call it $100. And, again, I full-well understand that, when the hand is in front of you, and you have the count, that's what you're concerned about. But, humor me for a minute.

    You get the hand A,3 v. 4 about once every 1,087 hands. What's more, you now also want the count to be +4 or higher, and that happens about 5.2% of the time. So, together, you get the situation you described above about once every 20,903 hands. Let's call it 20,000.

    Suppose you play 200 hours of blackjack a year, which, for some people, is quite a lot. And, you get 100 hands per hour. That's 20,000 hands a year. So, you can expect to be in the situation you describe once a year!! And, if your bet is $100, you stand to make $2 in extra e.v. PER YEAR, knowing this index.

    Now, I'm not telling you not to know it. Knowing it will earn you one tip to a valet-parking attendant, once a year.
    What I [i]am>/i> saying is, now you know why plays such as these aren't in any book of mine. :-)

    Don

    P.S. As you know from what I have stated in BJA3, I personally learned over 150 indices for the RPC and still use them to this day. I do so not because I think they're worth a great deal, but simply because, well, ... I can! Had someone come along with an I18 before I learned BJ, I doubt very much if I would have bothered learning all the others.

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    21forme
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    21forme: Thanks

    > No, no reason. If you know the index and get the
    > situation, it's fine to make the play. In this case,
    > it would be worth about 2% of your bet to you.

    > Now, I don't know what a "big bet" is for
    > you, but for purposes of this illustration, let's just
    > call it $100. And, again, I full-well understand that,
    > when the hand is in front of you, and you have the
    > count, that's what you're concerned about. But, humor
    > me for a minute.

    > You get the hand A,3 v. 4 about once every 1,087
    > hands. What's more, you now also want the count to be
    > +4 or higher, and that happens about 5.2% of the time.
    > So, together, you get the situation you described
    > above about once every 20,903 hands. Let's call it
    > 20,000.

    > Suppose you play 200 hours of blackjack a year, which,
    > for some people, is quite a lot. And, you get 100
    > hands per hour. That's 20,000 hands a year. So, you
    > can expect to be in the situation you describe once a
    > year!! And, if your bet is $100, you stand to make $2
    > in extra e.v. PER YEAR, knowing this index.

    > Now, I'm not telling you not to know it. Knowing it
    > will earn you one tip to a valet-parking attendant,
    > once a year.
    > What I am>/i> saying is, now you know why plays
    > such as these aren't in any book of mine. :-)

    > Don

    > P.S. As you know from what I have stated in BJA3, I
    > personally learned over 150 indices for the RPC and
    > still use them to this day. I do so not because I
    > think they're worth a great deal, but simply because,
    > well, ... I can! Had someone come along with an I18
    > before I learned BJ, I doubt very much if I would have
    > bothered learning all the others.

    Thanks Don. Appreciate your input.

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