Blackchip player from east coast. How long should I stay out of the big houses between visits to avoid suspision?
Blackchip player from east coast. How long should I stay out of the big houses between visits to avoid suspision?
I visit 4 to 6 times a year and don't have any issues.
What you didn't say was will you be playing under your own name? Are you expecting comps?
If you are playing under your own name and expecting comps, you need to go easy on your "home" or they will get upset with you. My advice, use them just for a room and play just enough to get that. No need to stalk the place just to get an RFB comp when you can get food elsewhere. Seek food comps at your other casinos based upon your black chip play. I have yet to be turned down after a decent session (45 minutes+) of black chip play to the buffet or a coffee shop. Le Circ it is not, but food is food and it was FREE! And when a session is only 10 to 15 minutes long, it either means I lost very quickly (which will still get you a comp), or I won very quickly which means it is time to move on before suspicion sets in and I have plenty of money to buy my own meal!
Similarly, vary when and where you play each trip if possible. There are 3 shifts to choose from in each casino! If it is big enough and the games are offered equally, play in an alternative pit (casinos are just like any other "workplace," in that many of the same personnel are placed in the same area, day in and day out) when you return on the same shift during the same stay. That way the pit will only see you once or twice, while you may actually be able to play 2, 4, or maybe even 6 sessions in the same casino without someone in the pit having a couple chances to watch your advantage play. That being said, the pit is only one issue--but you know that already--every black chip player is watched by the eye and sometimes filmed for review.
Another tip is to get in with a host at each place you play. You can then stay at each store once or twice a year, but still hit all your casinos. As long as you avoid running into your host there, they will probably never even know you were there.
One last tip--straight from Shift Manager (and confirmed by many other black chippers)--if you are approached about being rated, have some form of ID to give them. You need to think about this before it happens. Depending on the store, shift, busyness, etc... you may never be approached. But if you are and decline to be rated, you will be under 10X the scrutiny of every other player until they make a decision about you. In their thinking--NOBODY playing $100+ a hand would not want to receive the comps they are due playing at that level. You MUST be a cheat or card counter (they are the same--don't you know?!?). Search the site to find out ways to deal with this issue if comps aren't an issue, or you wish to play anonymously.
Good luck in LV. Hope I have helped in some small way.
Use my own name. Serious recreational player, as my ex wife describes. Not playing for comps, playing to win. Recreational wins, but when the opportunity knocks, pounce on it until that little voice inside my head says, 'let's leave ... now'. Usual session for me runs 20-35 minutes. Rotate the houses each trip. Reason for my question in the first place was if I walk into the same house(s) twice in a 3 month period will that set off alarms? Plop my player's card down every where I land before they have to ask. Don't know many hosts though ... Do rotate the shifts rarely playing on the same shift on consecutive days, unless its getaway day. As far as the free food, I'm single, even the Imperial Palace buffet looks good when you're alone and hungry. Hah! Don't mind paying for a room either, a bed's a bed strip, off, downtown. Thanks very much for your insight.
> Blackchip player from east coast. How long should I
> stay out of the big houses between visits to avoid
> suspision?
First of all if you juggle the shifts, you can move around a more frequently.
I usually allow 6 weeks to go by in AC before I go back to the same club.
And that visit is never on the same shift as my last one.
It is very important to get your hands on multiple ID's.
Thanks to Cardk I now have 11 of them and I can't begin to tell you, how much easier it has made my playing.
I am no longer known as the same person in any 2 houses, with the exception of where I still play in my own name so I can be showered with comps.
In those clubs I am quite conservative.
If I am in a club and I make a move that would not be considered touristy (spliting 10's, doubling on soft 20 etc) I make sure I allow even more time to pass and when I finally go back it's as another person with some real cosmetic changes.
I keep very specific records of cloths, hats, jewelery and facial hairs etc.
Be exceptionally careful of rings. They zero right in on that stuff.
I hope it helps,
Hollywood
> It is very important to get your hands on multiple
> ID's.
> Thanks to Cardk I now have 11 of them and I can't
> begin to tell you, how much easier it has made my
> playing.
> I am no longer known as the same person in any 2
> houses, with the exception of where I still play in my
> own name so I can be showered with comps.
> In those clubs I am quite conservative.
What's the advantage of having a unique ID for each place you play at? Is it that casinos that are owned by the same group might otherwise share information on you?
> What's the advantage of having a unique ID for each
> place you play at? Is it that casinos that are owned
> by the same group might otherwise share information on
> you?
With all the consolidation of casino's under a single corporate structure going on, and the implementation of common data bases/comp cards it's very easy for them to track the play history of the same players name within their group.
A suspicious pit critter could break into a cold sweat after seeing the same player name rack up a sizeable win history spread among the casinos the parent company owns. Even non affiliated casinos share player information of any suspected a/p which makes multiple id's more of a necessity.
The trick is to play short sessions on different shifts,and not get too friendly with the pit staff so they won't remember you in case someone on a different shift takes action against that name causing you have to dump the ID at that club and reappear several months later under a different name or with a different appearance.
Cardk.
> What's the advantage of having a unique ID for each
> place you play at? Is it that casinos that are owned
> by the same group might otherwise share information on
> you?
It had gotten to the point where not only did I start getting busted frequently, but I was walking into new places and they were waiting for that name.
As a result one day I decided to be a differnt person in every casino I go into. And I must tell you, it has worked magically.
If I get busted in that place under my new name I avoid them for at least 6 months and then go in and reestablish myself as a new person.
Bear in mind every ID must be tied into a legitimate address and name for that address. Because, trust me they will check.
Once I get busted under a bullshit name, I get rid of that ID, because I now know it's in some kind of data base. Why use it again. They only cost about $100.00 bucks.
I tried the route where I told them I didn't want to be rated blah blah blah.
Let me tell you something, they don't buy that when you are a high states player. You must be a person with some kind of background.
By being a different person in each house, if that person goes bad, none of the others are in jepardy.
Hope it helps,
Hollywood
So do you think it's not feasible, when playing high-stakes, to have an act and camouflage tricks that are good enough so that surveillance would write you off as a sucker? Even if you found a way to conceal your lifetime wins (through rat-holing etc.)?
Also, would you advise the multiple identities route when initially starting off high-stakes play, even if they don't know your face? Wouldn't it be better to try the full sucker route first, including 60-90 minute sessions, squeezing out comps, perhaps even getting to know some of the personnel etc., and then resorting to the long absences/multiple IDs/multiple appearances route if you find yourself catching a lot of heat?
Thanks for the help.
pm
Do you plan on losing most of the time? Because, if you plan on winning, then I would take Hollywood's advice to heart.
You aren't a "sucker" if you win more often than you lose.
Don
Wow, ok. I'm glad I didn't have to find that out the hard way. So just to confirm, the strategy is to have short sessions, multiple IDs & appearances, and potentially long absences in addition to employing heavy cover and a solid act.
Which books should I pick up to learn the ins and outs of multiple identities?
Also, I guess my initial question was stemming from the fact that I've seen Parker mention, on occasion, that alternate identities probably aren't necessary until you've been backed off from several different places in the same region. ??
Oh also, I know I should probably already know the answer to this, but anyway....if you have multiple IDs, a solid act and heavy cover, why can't sessions be 60-90 minutes (if you go, say, 9 or 10 weeks before hitting the same shift at a particular joint)? I've seen it stressed over and over again (especially by bfb) that sessions should be 45 minutes or less, but a slightly longer session would help so much in getting in the hours of play....is it really that much riskier, especially at the big casinos that see a lot of big action?
pm
> Wow, ok. I'm glad I didn't have to find that out the
> hard way. So just to confirm, the strategy is to have
> short sessions, multiple IDs & appearances, and
> potentially long absences in addition to employing
> heavy cover and a solid act.
More or less, yes. Sounds like fun, huh?!
> Which books should I pick up to learn the ins and outs
> of multiple identities?
Not much in books that I know of. But, there are some good disguise books out there. Hollywood can give you the details of a book I lent him. Also, I believe the catalog here has a couple of books relating to IDs.
> Also, I guess my initial question was stemming from
> the fact that I've seen Parker mention, on occasion,
> that alternate identities probably aren't necessary
> until you've been backed off from several different
> places in the same region. ??
What we're suggesting is conducting yourself, from the beginning, in a manner that doesn't get you backed off in the first place. Some people (not Parker) find that a novel concept. They're the ones who enjoy getting thrown out all the time and wear their barrings as a badge of courage. To each his own.
> Oh also, I know I should probably already know the
> answer to this, but anyway....if you have multiple
> IDs, a solid act and heavy cover, why can't sessions
> be 60-90 minutes (if you go, say, 9 or 10 weeks before
> hitting the same shift at a particular joint)?
Because part of the "heavy cover" is keeping the sessions short. Most pit bosses have the IQ of an earthworm, but if you give someone enough time to watch your play, eventually, bells and whistles start to go off.
> I've
> seen it stressed over and over again (especially by
> bfb) that sessions should be 45 minutes or less, but a
> slightly longer session would help so much in getting
> in the hours of play....is it really that much
> riskier, especially at the big casinos that see a lot
> of big action?
Try it and find out.
Don
What web site can I get an id from?
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