I'm interested in last Sundays chat with the "Shift Manager".I didn't see it under the chat archives.Any help in getting the archived chat is appeciated.Thanks
ken
I'm interested in last Sundays chat with the "Shift Manager".I didn't see it under the chat archives.Any help in getting the archived chat is appeciated.Thanks
ken
> I'm interested in last Sundays chat with the
> "Shift Manager".I didn't see it under the
> chat archives.Any help in getting the archived chat is
> appeciated.Thanks
> ken
I don't know if Sunday's chat was archived, although we customarily archive chats when we have a guest host.
I do know that it usually takes Viktor a few days to edit the raw text into something readable even when he's not busy, and lately he has been exceptionally busy. Your patience is greatly appreciated.
(Viktor has been/is out sick, so I'll take the time to answer here.)
As part of our agreement with Shift Manager, and as an extra level of security, last Sunday's chat will not be put into the archives. Neither was our first chat with Shift Manager, nor will any future highly-sensitive chats such as these. We understand that we're disappointing quite a few people, but Viktor feels it's for the best.
Thanks for understanding,
Bettie
> (Viktor has been/is out sick, so I'll take the time to
> answer here.)
> As part of our agreement with Shift Manager, and as an
> extra level of security, last Sunday's chat will not
> be put into the archives. Neither was our first chat
> with Shift Manager, nor will any future
> highly-sensitive chats such as these. We understand
> that we're disappointing quite a few people, but
> Viktor feels it's for the best.
> Thanks for understanding,
> Bettie
That's completely understandable. Hopefully, you"ll have him/her back.Thank you.
ken
> (Viktor has been/is out sick, so I'll take the time to
> answer here.)
> As part of our agreement with Shift Manager, and as an
> extra level of security, last Sunday's chat will not
> be put into the archives. Neither was our first chat
> with Shift Manager, nor will any future
> highly-sensitive chats such as these. We understand
> that we're disappointing quite a few people, but
> Viktor feels it's for the best.
> Thanks for understanding,
> Bettie
No...it should be understood by any guest to the forum that discussions can be archived. Anyone willing to be interviewed in the first place should have no problem with having their comments being archived. If they have concerns, then they can self-edit their responses as the conversation unfolds. Any resistance to having the chat archived is a failure on the part of the person who initially set up the chat. I missed the chat and am very disappointed that we cannot review this discussion. I understand the need for discretion, however, this guest was willing to have his comments put online. That being the case, the site's management is short-changing itself in not insisting that the chat be archived.
Shift Manager chats are always unarchived to make the chats more open and useful for DD members. Questions and discussions often involve specific casinos and/or styles of play that give everyone at the chat great insight, but would not be appropriate to being archived for the ages.
Social chats and chats with Shift Manager will always be unarchived.We don't do a lot of guest chats during the summer since the site is usually very slow during this time period, but after next week's Ultimate Blackjack Tour finishes taping, we'll start looking for new and interesting guests that we will most certainly archive.
Good Cards,
V
While I am certainly no expert on the issues of why Shift manager wants to be "hidden" by Viktor and the site management, as someone who was actually at the chat--I'm not sure what information is trying to be kept confidential. In the nearly 1 hour I was present, there was absolutely NO information shared which would compromise Shift Manager's identity, casino, or anything else. To be honest, I was completely disappointed with the chat. That is why I left after an hour. Nothing was gained from chatting with Shift Manager. I have better things to do with my time.
I think any member of Don's Domain that has paid their money, should have the right to check out an archive of the chat(s). Not everyone can attend the chat at the time selected. It should be up to the members themselves to make sure their identity is not compromised. Alternatively, e-mail addresses, and the like could be edited out of the chat script to make sure identities are not compromised, but let the members realize, posting an e-mail address during the chat, it is going to be out there in the open. Some won't care, some will.
Earlier in the year, I was excited when shift manager showed up and wanted to give some inside info about the casino industry. Now, I'm just disappointed at the milquetoast answers given to our questions. And I'm not talking about identity issues of either SM or a player (I know of at least one identified by SM during the chat). Identities should be a non-issue, for everyone's sake. But, short of giving us the key to how to rob a casino, I would hope that we could get more information from shift manager than we have managed. I point to the message board and ask, "what have we really learned?" Not much is my answer.
I would love to ask some deeper questions, but I've found the answers to the simple questions lacking, so why even try?
> Shift Manager chats are always unarchived to make the
> chats more open and useful for DD members. Questions
> and discussions often involve specific casinos and/or
> styles of play that give everyone at the chat great
> insight, but would not be appropriate to being
> archived for the ages.
This is all sounds fine and dandy, but who are we kidding here? Do you believe no casino-types has access to the chat sessions? If you could be 100% sure, then, it would make sense, but, assuming there are some from the other side that are members here, it is very EASY to just copy the chat and save it for later to do with, whatever those people like.
I think the paranoia is a little on the high side. If "Shift Manager" is concerned over what is said there, perhaps, he/she should not participate at all. Personally, I think the players should be at LEAST as much concerned as Shift Manager.
My 2-cents.
Regards,
PM
> This is all sounds fine and dandy, but who are we
> kidding here? Do you believe no casino-types has
> access to the chat sessions? If you could be 100%
> sure, then, it would make sense, but, assuming there
> are some from the other side that are members here, it
> is very EASY to just copy the chat and save it for
> later to do with, whatever those people like.
> I think the paranoia is a little on the high side. If
> "Shift Manager" is concerned over what is
> said there, perhaps, he/she should not participate at
> all. Personally, I think the players should be at
> LEAST as much concerned as Shift Manager.
> My 2-cents.
Its more as a protection to the members of DD. In the chat room itself one can look at the attendence list and choose whether or not he trusts all people listed. However one cannot see who is looking in the archives and therefore has no freedom of audience choice. So for example if I wore a disguise to the mirage to play as cover I may be willing to disclose it in the chat room if I knew everyone in there and was trying to find out from shift manager if he felt it was and effect disguise.... however I would not want to have it posted in the archives where it is basically open access and then anyone in the casino industry and possibly MGM Mirage Management or Security can read it.
> Regards,
> PM
> While I am certainly no expert on the issues of why
> Shift manager wants to be "hidden" by Viktor
> and the site management as someone who was actually
> at the chat--I'm not sure what information is trying
> to be kept confidential.
You seem to be missing the point; we never said that SM wanted to be hidden, only that the chats were not archived to keep them "more open and useful for DD members." Laughlin Marauder's post (above) hits the nail right on the head.
> In the nearly 1 hour I was
> present, there was absolutely NO information shared
> which would compromise Shift Manager's identity,
> casino, or anything else. To be honest, I was
> completely disappointed with the chat.
I'm sorry you were disappointed with the chat; I was actually more disappointed with the attendees. Any questions that were asked of SM were answered, but the chat was pretty social in nature, with a lot of talking amongst each other rather than to SM. SM's first chat several months ago was filled with much more info, and I think that was the result of an audience eager to ask questions, with more focus on the guest than we got last week.
Bettie
> Its more as a protection to the members of DD. In the
> chat room itself one can look at the attendence list
> and choose whether or not he trusts all people listed.
> However one cannot see who is looking in the archives
> and therefore has no freedom of audience choice. So
> for example if I wore a disguise to the mirage to play
> as cover I may be willing to disclose it in the chat
> room if I knew everyone in there and was trying to
> find out from shift manager if he felt it was and
> effect disguise.... however I would not want to have
> it posted in the archives where it is basically open
> access and then anyone in the casino industry and
> possibly MGM Mirage Management or Security can read
> it.
Hey, good hearing from ya again, where ya been hiddin'? Send me an email.
I see what you're saying, but in the chats do we REALLY know those in there other than from their posts? Hell, for all you know, I could be a casino spy and if I was in the chat you'd think nothing of being worried about me, right? Couldn't it be possible there are other "familiar" handles that may not be on the square? I agree you do have a general "feel" for those in the chatroom by the past, but, I don't think it's a guarantee.
Personally, I wouldn't put out ANY information in the chatroom or anywhere else in a public arena if I thought it was possible to expose me.
Regards,
PM
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