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    Carolina Counter
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    Carolina Counter: Black Chip Heat Question

    Your advice is much appreciated. I am a new member and appreciate the opportunity to interact.

    I have always played GC spreads a few times a year in various venues. Events will bring me to Las Vegas a number of times in the next months. I have the resources to play Black Chip spreads and seek your advice. I have never been backed off. I am interested in playing at Black Chip levels. My sole concern is the risk of being barred. This is a profitable entertainment for me, but I am not using any assumed identities and it would be a hassle to be barred or backed off.

    What advice do you have for playing at Black Chip levels on the strip. Will a 1 to 5 or 8 spread get me in difficulty? How fast? Do you think the Ian type cover plays are effective? Or should I not sweat the sessions that I will have?

    I have a competent understanding of the RoR I am taking with my cash....thanks!


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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Black Chip Heat Question

    No to be repetitive, have you read the first chapter of BJA3 -- or any of the editions? You should find some helpful material there as well as in the Team Play chapter.

    It has served me well for almost 30 years!

    Don

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    Hollywood
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    Hollywood: Re: Black Chip Heat Question

    > Your advice is much appreciated. I am a new
    > member and appreciate the opportunity to
    > interact.

    > I have always played GC spreads a few times
    > a year in various venues. Events will bring
    > me to Las Vegas a number of times in the
    > next months. I have the resources to play
    > Black Chip spreads and seek your advice. I
    > have never been backed off. I am interested
    > in playing at Black Chip levels. My sole
    > concern is the risk of being barred. This is
    > a profitable entertainment for me, but I am
    > not using any assumed identities and it
    > would be a hassle to be barred or backed
    > off.

    > What advice do you have for playing at Black
    > Chip levels on the strip. Will a 1 to 5 or 8
    > spread get me in difficulty? How fast? Do
    > you think the Ian type cover plays are
    > effective? Or should I not sweat the
    > sessions that I will have?

    > I have a competent understanding of the RoR
    > I am taking with my cash....thanks!

    First of all Carolina, allow me to welcome you to the neighborhood.

    It's common knowledge in here that I ONLY play black chip action. So here is my 2 cents.

    In looking back to my problem sessions, (meaning sessions where I had trouble with barrings)I try and see why they were on to me.

    A couple of times I got greedy and had a juicy count and pressed bets beyond what I should have.

    I strongly suggest you only parlay winning funds to press bets and NOT reach into your stack to make increases.

    Stay away from the hardcore indices as I call them. Spliting 10's doubling on soft 19's and 20's at counts that call for it. (unless you are running for cover right after you do it).

    These are high profile plays to begin with but, in black chip arenas they will come to your house and shoot your family for plays like that.

    Try to stay away from any plays that tourists would not do. You must understand that eye brows go up in the green chip areas for certain plays, so you can only imagine how high they are raised when you are playing blacks.

    When a person splits 10's in green chip areas they assume in many cases that he/she is an idiot. But, when a person does that with $800.00 in the box, they don't think you are stupid, they think instead that you are up to something.

    I would also try to make a few wrong plays that are not to expensive. For instance, taking insurance when you have a blackjack when the dealer has an ace showing, regardless of what the count is etc.

    Well, that was the 2 cents. It probably was not worth a penny.

    I hope it helps a little.

    Happy chips,

    Hollywood

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    Ouchez
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    Ouchez: About your Black Chip action

    > First of all Carolina, allow me to welcome
    > you to the neighborhood.

    > It's common knowledge in here that I ONLY
    > play black chip action. So here is my 2
    > cents.

    say you are on a $25 to $500 table, common in my area, and the count goes to 0, or -1 are you still going to bet Black or drop to Green?

    Or do you only wong when you have a strong + and then jump in with Black?

    I would and always do drop to table min in a 0 or -1.

    Regards,
    Ouchez.

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    Hollywood
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    Hollywood: Re: About your Black Chip action

    > say you are on a $25 to $500 table, common
    > in my area, and the count goes to 0, or -1
    > are you still going to bet Black or drop to
    > Green?

    > Or do you only wong when you have a strong +
    > and then jump in with Black?

    > I would and always do drop to table min in a
    > 0 or -1.

    > Regards,
    > Ouchez.

    Hi Ouchez:

    If I were playing at a table $25.00 to $500.00 (which is a very common game in the islands, which I do 4 times a year) I would not be betting black as my minimum bet. It would not be a good idea, because I would only be able to spread to 2 hands of 5 units. Unless I played 3, which I don't do.

    I would be playing 2 hands of $25.00 each spreading out to 2 hands of $500.00 which would give me my 20 to 1 spread.

    I'm not going to use the numbers you listed, because using KO, at 0 or -1, that is a very decent count.

    But, i'm getting the impression that you are asking me how I am betting in the above conditions if the count is way against me.

    If that is your question, in bad counts I drop to 1 hand at the table minimum until the count gets back to at least -20. (again using KO)

    Also, I do not wong at all.

    But, here is a quick story regarding jumping from green to black.

    Once apon a time I was playing once a week at the same casino. I flat bet $25.00 and just waited until the count went to -4 and automatically started playing blacks from that point on. This went on for several weeks, I was on a beautiful run, and playing in my own name.

    Then I went in for my regular wed. session and asked for my marker and low and behold the guy comes over and says, "your credit has been cancelled" I will not bore you with the details, except to say this. In looking back at it, it was jumping from the greens to the blacks that alerted them. Especially that in many many clubs when a person does this, the dealer yells out "BLACK ACTION" and the rest is history.

    Anyway it was my first barring. And as a result of it I never jumped from green to black again.

    I hope it helped a little,

    Hollywood

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    Ouchez
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    Ouchez: Interesting, thanks. *NM*


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    98%
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    98%: Re: Black Chip Heat Question

    Getting backed off on account of a 1-8 black spread is a realistic possibility in Las Vegas. Here are a few things to consider in order to minimize the chances of a back-off:

    -Only play the major Strip houses. Mandalay, Caesars, MGM and Venetian are good. If you can find good games, Bally's, Paris and Aladdin are decent, too. Off the Strip, about the places you can get away with spreads in black would be the Palms, the Rio, the Las Vegas Hilton and the Golden Nugget. While good games can also be found in Monte Carlo, Bellagio and Mirage, if not getting busted for counting is a priority for you, then it may not be worth the risk playing in those houses, as their surveillance tends to be relatively competent.
    -Only play shoes.
    -Try to play when there is larger action than yours in the house to give you some cover.
    -Don't wong in and out of shoes too aggressively, a lot of bosses are hip to that move. I suggest wonging in, playing all for a few shoes and then wonging out at an appropriate time before leaving the casino.
    -Limit your sessions to 30 minutes or so in length. I tend to play even shorter sessions than that when I'm counting down the shoes in Las Vegas, but I also spread more aggressively than 1 to 8, so getting in and out fast is a must.

    All that said, if you want to experience a back-off just for kicks, go to the Barbary Coast and ruthlessly clobber one of their shoe games until they ask you to leave.

    Good luck.

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    Hollywood
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    Hollywood: Re: Black Chip Heat Question

    > Getting backed off on account of a 1-8 black
    > spread is a realistic possibility in Las
    > Vegas. Here are a few things to consider in
    > order to minimize the chances of a back-off:

    > -Only play the major Strip houses. Mandalay,
    > Caesars, MGM and Venetian are good. If you
    > can find good games, Bally's, Paris and
    > Aladdin are decent, too. Off the Strip,
    > about the places you can get away with
    > spreads in black would be the Palms, the
    > Rio, the Las Vegas Hilton and the Golden
    > Nugget. While good games can also be found
    > in Monte Carlo, Bellagio and Mirage, if not
    > getting busted for counting is a priority
    > for you, then it may not be worth the risk
    > playing in those houses, as their
    > surveillance tends to be relatively
    > competent.
    > -Only play shoes.
    > -Try to play when there is larger action
    > than yours in the house to give you some
    > cover.
    > -Don't wong in and out of shoes too
    > aggressively, a lot of bosses are hip to
    > that move. I suggest wonging in, playing all
    > for a few shoes and then wonging out at an
    > appropriate time before leaving the casino.
    > -Limit your sessions to 30 minutes or so in
    > length. I tend to play even shorter sessions
    > than that when I'm counting down the shoes
    > in Las Vegas, but I also spread more
    > aggressively than 1 to 8, so getting in and
    > out fast is a must.

    > All that said, if you want to experience a
    > back-off just for kicks, go to the Barbary
    > Coast and ruthlessly clobber one of their
    > shoe games until they ask you to leave.

    > Good luck.

    Hi 98, how have you been?

    I'm glad you mentioned the Neveda part of this, because i'm going out in november to broaden my horizons.

    That being said, i'm coming back to you before I go, for some advice.

    It's been so long since i've been to Vegas, that last time I went, was before the Don reinvented me.

    Thanks in advance for being there.

    Hollywood

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    Carolina Counter
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    Carolina Counter: Re: Black Chip Heat Question

    Thanks, Hollywood and to all who responded. The reason I have not followed up is that I was in LV. I will post some comments and experiences on just this issue tomorrow.....it was interesting to me. By the way, note to Don: I have definitely read BJA 3 and appreciate all the responses!


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