1. 1st base: hi-lo lite

For expediency I fell into using hi-lo lite, by Arnold Snyder I think. Has served me pretty well and was easy but figure I should start memorizing the Illustrious 18. Any comments?

I have been counting using hi-lo for about a year. I play a low minimum game spreading \$3 (if I can find it) to occasionally \$30 or more. Playing mostly 6-deck H17 as those are the only low minimum games I can find where I travel. I have a limited, but growing bankroll. Anyone have a calculation of what value I should expect from changing indices?

2. Norm Wattenberger: Re: hi-lo lite

Generally HiLo Illustrious 18 is less than 10% better than HiLo-Lite. In this case it is closer to 20-25% (assuming 75% penetration.) Six deck H17 is really awful. The biggest problem with HiLo-Lite is not the indexes. It is the fact that you divide by half-decks instead of full decks. This compresses the true counts into a very narrow range in a single level count. At 75% penetration, 63% of your true counts will be 0. This makes optimal betting difficult. At six deck, H17, 12:1 spread, you would have to bet one unit at counts of 0 and below and 12 units at counts of one and above. No gradation in the ramp at all.

You need to back-count this game.

> For expediency I fell into using hi-lo lite,
> by Arnold Snyder I think. Has served me
> pretty well and was easy but figure I should
> start memorizing the Illustrious 18. Any

> I have been counting using hi-lo for about a
> year. I play a low minimum game spreading \$3
> (if I can find it) to occasionally \$30 or
> more. Playing mostly 6-deck H17 as those are
> the only low minimum games I can find where
> I travel. I have a limited, but growing
> bankroll. Anyone have a calculation of what
> value I should expect from changing indices?

3. 1st base: The old adage.......

A little knowledge can be dangerous......certainly applies to me. I was unaware of dividing by half-decks, and have been dividing by whole decks. Have been worried that my past successes were a result of positive fluctuation, now I am more concerned. No S17 games around the places where I usually play, think I may be stuck with the game and backcounting.

1st base

> Generally HiLo Illustrious 18 is less than
> 10% better than HiLo-Lite. In this case it
> is closer to 20-25% (assuming 75%
> penetration.) Six deck H17 is really awful.
> The biggest problem with HiLo-Lite is not
> the indexes. It is the fact that you divide
> by half-decks instead of full decks. This
> compresses the true counts into a very
> narrow range in a single level count. At 75%
> penetration, 63% of your true counts will be
> 0. This makes optimal betting difficult. At
> six deck, H17, 12:1 spread, you would have
> to bet one unit at counts of 0 and below and
> 12 units at counts of one and above. No
> gradation in the ramp at all.

> You need to back-count this game.

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