ES: Hi-Lo, Revere +/- , Revere Adv. +/- and HiOpt I

[ES]

There is a thread below in which posters question what the tags are for Hi-Lo and the Revere Plus- Minus counts.

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T A
Hi-Lo 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
RPM* 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
RAPM** 1, 2 Decks 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1 0
RAPM** 4+ Decks 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
Hi-Opt I 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 0

*Appears in Lawrence Revere's book "Playing Blackjack as a Business" For single-deck blackjack

**Revere sold "The Revere Advanced Plus-Minus Strategy" by mail for $25. This booklet contains indices for 1 or 2 deck and 4 (actually 4, 6 or 8) deck games. The book does not contain surrender indices; the RAPM does.

Revere also sold a level-2 Point Count for 1, 2 and 4+ decks. The mail orer systems are sold by his survivors today. They were the state of the art in their time.

www.reverebj.com

[Cacarulo]

Here is the answer to the question you posted on the free forum:

Again the game analyzed is: 6D,S17,DOA,DAS,SPA1,SPL3,NS,5/6,Play-All,Heads-up,5000 million rounds.

                 1-4     1-8     1-12    1-16    1-20 

Cac/71          10.52   27.68   37.18   43.06   47.07 

Hi-Lo/A         10.80   27.77   37.02   42.69   46.55 

Cac/7           10.36   27.39   36.86   42.74   46.74 

TKO             10.41   27.41   36.81   42.64   46.59 

UBZII           10.79   27.72   36.61   41.92   45.43 

Hi-Opt I/A      10.25   26.69   35.66   41.16   44.92 

DRed7(R)        10.17   26.65   35.38   40.63   44.11 

KO               8.62   25.52   34.94   40.69   44.55 

Hi-Lo            9.61   25.83   34.84   40.43   44.24 

Uston +/-        9.39   25.32   34.28   39.82   43.59 

Revere Adv. +/-  9.53   25.27   33.92   39.23   42.83 

Griffin/A        9.34   24.94   33.57   38.89   42.53 

Silver Fox       9.13   24.71   33.37   38.76   42.41 

Hi-Opt I         8.22   22.45   30.32   35.18   38.44 

Ace/Five         ----    1.65    3.26    4.43    5.34

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Cacarulo

[ES]

> Here is the answer to the question you
> posted on the free forum:
> Again the game analyzed is:
> 6D,S17,DOA,DAS,SPA1,SPL3,NS,5/6,Play-All,Heads-up,5000
> million rounds.
> 1-4 1-8 1-12
> 1-16 1-20
> Cac/71 10.52 27.68 37.18
> 43.06 47.07
> Hi-Lo/A 10.80 27.77 37.02
> 42.69 46.55
> Cac/7 10.36 27.39 36.86
> 42.74 46.74
> TKO 10.41 27.41 36.81
> 42.64 46.59
> UBZII 10.79 27.72 36.61
> 41.92 45.43
> Hi-Opt I/A 10.25 26.69 35.66
> 41.16 44.92
> DRed7(R) 10.17 26.65 35.38
> 40.63 44.11
> KO 8.62 25.52 34.94
> 40.69 44.55
> Hi-Lo 9.61 25.83 34.84
> 40.43 44.24
> Uston +/- 9.39 25.32 34.28
> 39.82 43.59
> Revere Adv. +/- 9.53 25.27 33.92
> 39.23 42.83
> Griffin/A 9.34 24.94 33.57
> 38.89 42.53
> Silver Fox 9.13 24.71 33.37
> 38.76 42.41
> Hi-Opt I 8.22 22.45 30.32
> 35.18 38.44
> Ace/Five ---- 1.65 3.26
> 4.43 5.34
> Hope this helps.
> Sincerely,
> Cacarulo

Thanks. Some questions:

1. Are Cac/7 and Cac/71 your systems? Tags? How does one obtain the systems?

2. What is TKO? How does one obtain the system?

3. What is DRed 7 (R) How does one obtain the system?

4. How important is a difference of 1 or 2 in SCORE in the 1-4 and 1-8 betting ramps?

[ES]

Which Revere Adv. +/- did you use: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 v. 9, T or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, v. T, A?

[Don Schlesinger]

> Which Revere Adv. +/- did you use: 2, 3, 4,
> 5, 6 v. 9, T or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, v. T, A?

We need to get something straight once and for all. There is only one Revere ADVANCED +/-, and it is the one that doesn't count the ace.

The Revere +/-, without the "advanced," is simply hi-lo. It can be found in Revere's book.

Don

[ES]

> We need to get something straight once and
> for all. There is only one Revere ADVANCED
> +/-, and it is the one that doesn't count
> the ace.

> The Revere +/-, without the
> "advanced," is simply hi-lo. It
> can be found in Revere's book.

> Don

Revere's BOOK calls what most players call Hi-Lo, the Revere Plus-Minus Strategy. It is ace-reckoned. The play decision tables in this chapter do not have indices. They have tables with either single letters, e.g. S for 16 v. 2 or two letters, e.g. S H for 16 v. 10, with the first letter to apply for positive running counts in single-deck games.

Revere's BOOKLET "The Revere Advanced Plus-Minus Strategy has tables with numbers, e.g. 0 for 16 v. 10. It has two tables, one for 1- or 2-deck games and one for 4+ deck games. The BOOKLET has an ace-neutral count on p. 9 and on p. 10, which has the 1- or 2-deck tables, "use the new count on page 9" is printed. On p. 12, which has the table for 4+ decks "use count on page 95 of textbook" is printed. This is why I describe both counts as Revere Adv. +/-.

[Cacarulo]

> Thanks. Some questions:

You're welcome.

> 1. Are Cac/7 and Cac/71 your systems? Tags?
> How does one obtain the systems?

Actually it's Hi-Lo with a side count of sevens which I've called Cac/7 and Cac/71. We could say that they are my systems . The difference between both is in the way insurance is played. Cac/7 uses Hi-Lo playing indices so you don't have
to learn a new set. Cac/71 uses Hi-Lo playing indices but a different index for insurance. You can find more info in the Forum Archives.

> 2. What is TKO? How does one obtain the
> system?

TKO is the True-Counted version of KO. Same tags as KO but different IRC.

> 3. What is DRed 7 (R) How does one obtain
> the system?

This is an enhanced version of Red7. The tags are (A-T): -2 2 2 2 2 2 1 0 0 -2 and it is played in RC mode. Here you count any seven as +1 and do not make a distinction between red or black which is an inferior approach. You can also use -1 1 1 1 1 1 0.5 0 0 -1 instead but I find it more complicated.

> 4. How important is a difference of 1 or 2
> in SCORE in the 1-4 and 1-8 betting ramps?

What you have to measure is the difference in percent, not in $.

Sincerely,
Cacarulo

[Cacarulo]

> Which Revere Adv. +/- did you use: 2, 3, 4,
> 5, 6 v. 9, T or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, v. T, A?

As Don have said Revere Adv. +/- has the following tags (A-T): 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
The other one (Revere +/-) is simply Hi-Lo.

Sincerely,
Cacarulo