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Thread: eephour: Shuffle Track

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    eephour
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    eephour: Shuffle Track

    I am trying to learn shuffle tracking. I am a competent counter and understand the basics of shuffle tracking. But for me the memory challenge is significant. Using even a 6 deck shoe with 4 ? 5 decks delt. That is 8 ? 10 half decks plus a cut off guess. Then to add and subtract those numbers using a 2-pass stepladder, who can do this? Forget about an 8-deck shoe. While I can follow small segments of cards through the shuffle, I cannot do a complete shuffle profile. Maybe some tips on how to remember the 8 ? 10 half deck numbers while keeping count would be a great start. Any thoughts?

    Thanks

    eephour

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Shuffle Track

    Suggest you get either George C.'s shuffle-tracking book for beginners (see RGE catalog) and/or Arnold Snyder's S-T series.

    Don

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    ghost
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    ghost: Re: Shuffle Track

    > is arnold snyders s-t series the same info provided in his book blackbelt in bj???

    and what specific series are these??

    thanks

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Shuffle Track

    > and what specific series are these??

    Published in BJF, over a three-issue period, several years ago.

    Don

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    eephour
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    eephour: Re: Shuffle Track

    > Published in BJF, over a three-issue period,
    > several years ago.

    > Don

    I have heard the series is difficult to find. I have been unable.

    eephour


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    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: Re: Shuffle Track

    > I have heard the series is difficult to
    > find. I have been unable.

    Have you read "Blackbelt in Blackjack" by Snyder?
    There is a pretty good chapter (long) in that book concerning ST'ing.

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    eephour
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    eephour: Re: Shuffle Track

    > Have you read "Blackbelt in
    > Blackjack" by Snyder?
    > There is a pretty good chapter (long) in
    > that book concerning ST'ing.

    I have. That is what i was referring to in my original post. I understand the method. It is fairly simple. I just can't figure out how to keep all those numbers in my head and then manipulate them as the shuffle progresses. That is the hard part for me.

    I have also read the George c book. After don's suggestion, I am revisiting it. My gut feel however, is you lose a lot in accuracy. But it does seem like a better start for me than Snyder?s stuff.

    eephour

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    Stingray
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    Stingray: memory techniques

    you need to learn some sort of memory technique.
    memory be association or something like that.
    Go to this URL http://www.vlaardingen.net/~tom/Mainmenu.htm

    to learn basic techniques and develop these to what you want not just good for cards but everything in general

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    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: Re: Shuffle Track

    > Maybe some tips on how to remember the 8 ?
    > 10 half deck numbers while keeping count
    > would be a great start. Any thoughts?

    I don't want to be specific, but I play with a couple of "lucky items" I keep in my pocket and then place on the table while I play.

    Sounds corny, I know, but looks perfectly natural.

    They are there to help me keep count of just the shuffle count .. and of course because they bring great luck.

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    Johnny Bravo
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    Johnny Bravo: Re: Shuffle Track

    Snyder's shuffle tracking series is out of print. I was lucky enough to buy a copy of it before he went to Huntington Press.

    JB

    > Suggest you get either George C.'s
    > shuffle-tracking book for beginners (see RGE
    > catalog) and/or Arnold Snyder's S-T series.

    > Don

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    eephour
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    eephour: Re: Shuffle Track

    > I don't want to be specific, but I play with
    > a couple of "lucky items" I keep
    > in my pocket and then place on the table
    > while I play.

    > Sounds corny, I know, but looks perfectly
    > natural.

    > They are there to help me keep count of just
    > the shuffle count .. and of course because
    > they bring great luck.

    That sounds great. Although, i suppose my lucky notebook computer would be out of the question.

    Thanks for the advice.

    eephour

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    eephour
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    eephour: Re: memory techniques

    > you need to learn some sort of memory
    > technique.
    > memory be association or something like
    > that.
    > Go to this URL
    > http://www.vlaardingen.net/~tom/Mainmenu.htm

    > to learn basic techniques and develop these
    > to what you want not just good for cards but
    > everything in general

    I am very familiar with these techniques and use them for other purposes. My problem with this particular application is, the ideas work great for remembering things on a long-term basis. But I find them difficult to use where I need to forget the last shuffle or card sequence and replace with a new one. The images I create tend to run together and mix with older images. Have you used these yourself? If so, how do you keep this from happening?

    eephour

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    Stingray
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    Stingray: Re: memory techniques

    > I am very familiar with these techniques and
    > use them for other purposes. My problem with
    > this particular application is, the ideas
    > work great for remembering things on a
    > long-term basis. But I find them difficult
    > to use where I need to forget the last
    > shuffle or card sequence and replace with a
    > new one. The images I create tend to run
    > together and mix with older images. Have you
    > used these yourself? If so, how do you keep
    > this from happening?

    > eephour

    use the mnemonics system,eventually you will remember long sequences of cards.

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