Poet: Height of Discard Boxes

[Poet]

I'm making a discard box as a little prop for 6 dk training (to estimate remaining decks of course). I'm trying to step up my accuracy of partial deck est's and this will be better than looking at just free standing stacks of cards to practice. 1. Is there a fairly standard dimension in LV for the height so I can make it look similar? 2. If so how tall are they? The only measurement I really need is the inside height, i.e.: from top of base to the top of the sides. 3. Where casinos are using 8 dk on some tables, do they use taller boxes on the 6 dk tables too? If so, what's that height? Thanks!

[Titaniumman]

That's the inside height of my professional quality 6 deck discard tray. This leaves about 1/4" space between the top of six decks and the ceiling of the tray which would be inadequate for 8 decks. Be advised that the base of my tray is 5/16" thick in the front (where the cards enter) and only 3/16" thick in the back creating a drop of 1/8" so that the cards rest securely against the back wall of the tray.

I recommend that you purchase a professional quality one. I even made a reticule in the back of my tray ascending in full deck graduations, and descending in half deck graduations (half decks remaining in play).

-T-

[Poet]

> That's the inside height of my professional
> quality 6 deck discard tray. This leaves
> about 1/4" space between the top of six
> decks and the ceiling of the tray which
> would be inadequate for 8 decks. Be advised
> that the base of my tray is 5/16" thick
> in the front (where the cards enter) and
> only 3/16" thick in the back creating a
> drop of 1/8" so that the cards rest
> securely against the back wall of the tray.

> I recommend that you purchase a professional
> quality one. I even made a reticule in the
> back of my tray ascending in full deck
> graduations, and descending in half deck
> graduations (half decks remaining in play).

> -T-
Thank you. I even learned a new word here: "reticule or reticle" - (in optics) a network of fine lines, like in the focus of the objective of a telescope. Nice. (All I knew before was "reticular," as in the cause of my bloodshot eyes: reticular hemorrhage.)

[Norm Wattenberger]

There's likely to be some variation. I just measured 6 and 8 deck trays and got 4.25 and 5.25 inches. I have another that I think is slightly less high, but can't find it.

[williwong21]

bju21.com has a nice shoe drill.Willi.

[Poet]

> bju21.com has a nice shoe drill.Willi.
Thank you guys. The bju21.com drill is interesting in that it teaches how many are out. Doesn't his involve an extra mental step for "subtraction?" Why not drill directly on how many are remaining, like I'm talking about in the first message in this string?
Nevertheless thanks again. I did not know about the BJU site before.
Where can I buy the equipment? GBC?

[Cardkountr]

> There's likely to be some variation. I just
> measured 6 and 8 deck trays and got 4.25 and
> 5.25 inches. I have another that I think is
> slightly less high, but can't find it.

I don't know who the manufacturer is but Harrah's AC uses a discard rack on some of their tables in the high limit area which have graduated tick marks at the 2, 4 and 6 deck level. I thought it was rather kind of them! LOL

The marks are a little hard to see but if you turn your head until the overhead lights catch the front outside edge of the tray they are noticible from third base.

Since such a discard tray is in the marketplace, perhaps other casinos have them in use also.

May all the dealers blackjacks occur while you're in the bathroom!!

Card.

[Norm Wattenberger]

I have not done a study, but I do have a bunch of decks from various casinos and there appear to be differences in thickness. Some of this could be due to use. But, for example, an unused Dunes deck is thicker than a used Stratosphere deck. You would expect the opposite if any difference. It would be interesting to know if the thickness varies between a used and unused deck from the same casino. But, don't know how you would legally get an unused deck from an open casino. Definitely wouldn't want to be caught with one.

BTW, as an example of the silliness behind gambling laws, it is illegal in NY for me to have discard trays. So far playing cards are still legal.

[Cyrus]

"It is illegal in NY for me to have discard trays."

How can they ever enforce that??
What is a discard tray to the authorities (the BATF perhaps?) is just a candle holder to me.

[Norm Wattenberger]

Got me. I tried to order discard trays from Kardwell and they asked me for my gaming license. I said they were not for gambling or even playing purposes. They said it was illegal to own any gambling equipment in NY and that their sales records are regularly checked by the State.

[xxi]

I've looked at the discard drills in the CVBJ3 beta. Is the pictured tray an 8 or 6 deck? It would be nice to have both; one of each, since the casinos in my area use both.

And will differences in perspective and / or card thickness make proficiency in judging decks in software difficult to transfer to actual play?

[Norm Wattenberger]

> I've looked at the discard drills in the
> CVBJ3 beta. Is the pictured tray an 8 or 6
> deck? It would be nice to have both; one of
> each, since the casinos in my area use both.

Th V3 discard tray drills give you five options. The first four are various photo-realistic trays: double, six and eight deck. The fifth option provides dozens of drawn trays and cards. The photo-realistic trays include shadows and card reflections as you would see in a casino to increase realism.

> And will differences in perspective and / or
> card thickness make proficiency in judging
> decks in software difficult to transfer to
> actual play?

Thickness is adjustable. I spent a lot of time trying different perspectives and decided that it didn't much matter. Although I do still have inclusion of more perspectives on my list. The trays also jump around on the screen. This doesn't actually change perspective, but does keep the brain from comparing images. But no matter what you do, I would always expect some loss in accuracy when moving to a casino. You need to train to a level that is above the level you would atually expect to need.

[Don Schlesinger]

Not only are casino cards not always precisely the same thickness, but discard trays vary by height, according to casino.

For some trays, the cards, when all placed inside, are practically wedged against the top; for others, there can be as much as a half-deck's worth of free space at the top.

Don