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Thread: artguy: 16 vs. ace for 1dk, 2dk, 6dk games

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    artguy
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    artguy: 16 vs. ace for 1dk, 2dk, 6dk games


    Given the same circumstances of DOA, DAS, Sp3, & SpA1 for 1dk, 2dk, and 3dk games, would you hit the 16 against dealer Ace using the same indice?

    I ask because Canfield suggests standing on TC9 across the board while May proposes always standing on 16 in 1dk games. Are these systems "passing in the night" or am I grossly misinterpreting what they say?

    My intuition tells me that there are different indices for different games. In a 1dk game I certainly wouldn't want to hit the 16 at TC8 while I might do that in a 6dk.

    Are different indices available for the different games? If so, please point me in the direction of these higher truths.

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: 16 vs. ace for 1dk, 2dk, 6dk games


    Don

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    artguy
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    artguy: Re: 16 vs. ace for 1dk, 2dk, 6dk games


    John May advocates in "Get the Edge at BJ" on P 161 to "draw to 16 vs. Ace" when playing basic strategy against Single Deck. Perhaps he would suggest something else for the counter...I haven't found it yet.

    Is May to be disregarded or does he "know" something?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: 16 vs. ace for 1dk, 2dk, 6dk games


    "John May advocates in "Get the Edge at BJ" on P 161 to "draw to 16 vs. Ace" when playing basic strategy against Single Deck."

    Which is it? It is BS to hit 16 v. ace, no matter how many decks, if you can't surrender. If you count, you will have an index past which it is correct to stand. You sound a little confused here.

    Don

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Sorry, typo: "May" should be capitalized


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    artguy
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    artguy: Re: 16 vs. ace for 1dk, 2dk, 6dk games


    I was under the impression that standing on 16 vs. Ace had the same affect as drawing to 16 V. Ace as expressed in May's SD basic strategy . In either case the draw is ended at 16. This appears to conflict with your BS position (and everyone elses) to hit 16 V. A unless the indice calls for surrender.

    If there is legitimacy to May's position to stand, it would appear that the door is cracked to treat SD differently from 2D and 6D. And this brings me back to my original question of whether you use the same indice for all decks when faced with 16 v. A. or does this have to be re-thought?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: 16 vs. ace for 1dk, 2dk, 6dk games


    Thanks.

    Don

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    artguy
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    artguy: Re: 16 vs. ace for 1dk, 2dk, 6dk games


    I found this information in Appendix C "Basic Strategy for Single Deck" (p.161). May lists the following under "when to draw" for "Hard Hands"

    "Draw to 11 vs. all"
    "Draw to 12 vs. 2 or 3"
    "Draw to 16 vs. 7-10"
    "Draw to 16 vs. Ace"

    May would be in step with your thinking if he had said "Draw at 16 vs. Ace. Could this be just a typo?

    Artguy

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: 16 vs. ace for 1dk, 2dk, 6dk games


    The English language is not one of John's strong points. Come to think of it, I'm not sure exactly what is! :-)

    Don

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    Kyle Sever
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    Kyle Sever: Care you to offer some help?


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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Care you to offer some help?


    I've only done that for about, oh, 30-40 BJ books, over the years. But, John's isn't going to tbe one of them!

    Don

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    Kyle Sever
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    Kyle Sever: Oh no, you didn't notice!



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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Sorry for the typo


    Sorry. No excuses.

    Don

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