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Thread: bjplayer21: Why was i banned from every table game at PLANET HOLLYWOOD??

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    bjplayer21
    Guest

    bjplayer21: Why was i banned from every table game at PLANET HOLLYWOOD??

    i dont play PH often at all, in fact my game of choice is now craps, not bj. i had an old players card that has not been used for a long time at least a year or so with aladdin. i decided to play $25 single deck monday night about 10:30pm. bought in for $1000. gave id to players club and got a PH card. figured i'd at least get rated. a few minutes into it, i moved pits; found a better sd game. and about 20 minutes later, only up $200, (with a few max bets at $100) 6 security animals and the pit manager asked me to step aside, and asked me for my ID. they checked it with their computer for some reason; asked my friend how old i was (im in my thirties), and then i was told they did not want me to play ANY table games (not just bj), but NO TABLE GAMES any more. i am welcome to play slots, and eat at the restaurants, and stay there, etc,..but no more table games. i asked why...and was told only that it was a management call. I asked them what i may have done wrong there, so i wouldnt do it again somewhere else...i was told only the same thing...it was a management call. SO----WHAT THE HECK WAS THE BIG DEAL? ANY ONE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HAPPENED? is little old me a 'THREAT' to big ole PH for some reason? i was just on a personal mission to win back $1000 i lost over the past few days at other casions. they let me play my last hand, and then six security guys escorted me out.???

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    Parker
    Guest

    Parker: A possibility

    Since you were playing the ripoff 6:5 single deck games, perhaps they thought that they were dealing with a dangerous lunatic.:-)

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    Wolverine
    Guest

    Wolverine: My 2 cents

    Obviously, P.H. (or someone that provides them information) thought you were a threat to their casino bankroll. Not just at BJ but at ANY card game. Perhaps you have been identified as MORE than just a card counter. That is all I will say on this free board, but I think their actions speak very clearly about what they believe. Think about it, and consult your local pro or mentor to learn more if you can't put it together.

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    j 21
    Guest

    j 21: Re: My 2 cents

    > Obviously, P.H. (or someone that provides them
    > information) thought you were a threat to their casino
    > bankroll. Not just at BJ but at ANY card game. Perhaps
    > you have been identified as MORE than just a card
    > counter. That is all I will say on this free board,
    > but I think their actions speak very clearly about
    > what they believe. Think about it, and consult your
    > local pro or mentor to learn more if you can't put it
    > together.
    Are the local pros and or mentors listed in the yellow pages ?

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    young gun
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    young gun: I don't understand

    I've played this place a bunch, playing higher stakes than you, and haven't run into trouble. The fact that this happened that quickly at that spread means they had information on you from an outside source IMO.

    What I don't get is first you said they gave you permission to stay/eat there, then you say that they escorted you out. Were you 86'ed on first offense or not? Would you call it a polite backoff or 86 despite the numerous security guards? (6 is incredibly excessive)

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    bjplayer21
    Guest

    bjplayer21: Re: I don't understand

    > I've played this place a bunch, playing higher stakes
    > than you, and haven't run into trouble. The fact that
    > this happened that quickly at that spread means they
    > had information on you from an outside source IMO.

    > What I don't get is first you said they gave you
    > permission to stay/eat there, then you say that they
    > escorted you out. Were you 86'ed on first offense or
    > not? Would you call it a polite backoff or 86 despite
    > the numerous security guards? (6 is incredibly
    > excessive)

    I dont know either. it makes no sense. i asked if i could finish my last hand (which was a split) before i got up to talk to them, and they let me ....*i lost it--both hands. it was a $25 split. then, when it was all done and said, i was told i could not play bj, craps, poker, mini bac, any thing that was a table game. so, this whole thing makes no sense. being told that you are too good for us at bj, but u are welcome to play anything else is more along the lines of getting backed off, but this seems excessive. i need a host or someone on the inside with access to the computer system to look up my account, and see what it says...heck, i still have a $200 chip and $50 dining credit and 2 nights suite stay comp to use there!

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    David Spence
    Guest

    David Spence: Re: I don't understand

    > ...heck, i still have a $200 chip and $50 dining
    > credit and 2 nights suite stay comp to use there!

    Is "a $200 chip" a typo, a chip denomination I've never heard of before, or a subtle clue that your unusual story is fictitious?

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    Trapper
    Guest

    Trapper: What are the facts?

    Did they back you off of all table games and tell you that you were welcome to stay and play non-table games or did they escort you out? It can't be both. If it was one first and then the other, what happened to escalate the situation. Why were you playing a 6:5 game with a weak spread? No competent counter would do that. If you are a non-counting AP, why post this here? It is fairly obvious what the casino thought you were doing and that would explain the ban from all table games and not just blackjack.

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    Detroit Harry
    Guest

    Detroit Harry: Re: I don't understand

    > Is "a $200 chip" a typo, a chip denomination
    > I've never heard of before, or a subtle clue that your
    > unusual story is fictitious?

    He Probally meant $200 in Promotional gaming chipa or slot credits. I received the same offer. 2 Comp rooms in a suite. 200 in chips. $50 in dinning credits to select restaurants. 2 comp show tickets to the Beauty of Magic Klock featuring Pamela Anderson or Stomps Out loud. Fly back for only $19 round-trip airfare certificate. The probally using the old Alladin list. I have not played there since it first opened under the Alladin. Never played there under Planet Hollywood. I use to play in the high limit room upstairs. I can't remember the name it. It was not part of the Alladin it was English owned real swank. I called for the offer and asked about it and they said it was for their A list players. Probally back them I was averaging about a $175.00 a hand. I played their twice and won about $14,000. It's a real offer not made up.

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    bjplayer21
    Guest

    bjplayer21: Re: I don't understand

    > Is "a $200 chip" a typo, a chip denomination
    > I've never heard of before, or a subtle clue that your
    > unusual story is fictitious?

    first of all, why would i waste my time making up a unusual story that is FICTICIOUS? i'd be playing... not sitting here trying to get some definitive answers on what happened to me and why.

    second, my offer is called: Grand Opening Introduction Special Offer. the package includes: 2 comp nights in a suite. $200 in promotional gaming chips or slot credits
    $50 in dining credits to select restaurants
    2 comp show tickets to The Beauty of Magic Hanks Klok featuring Pamela Anderson or Stomp Out Loud (based on availability)
    and....Fly back for $19 round-trip airfare certificate.\

    thank you for your not so subtle clue that you're so smart.

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    bjplayer21
    Guest

    bjplayer21: Re: What are the facts?

    > Did they back you off of all table games and tell you
    > that you were welcome to stay and play non-table games
    > or did they escort you out? It can't be both. If it
    > was one first and then the other, what happened to
    > escalate the situation.

    during my play of a split hand, the pit manager, who was not in the pit until that moment, asked me if he could have a few words with me. i said, can i play out my hand, he said yes. so i did, and busted both, and then stepped back (6 security guards standing around). he asked to see my ID, i said, "my drivers license?", he said, "yes." i gave it to him, he went over to the computer in the pit, with the pit boss and they scrutinized my id with the computer screen, then came back to me, and said that they would like me to get my chips, cash out, and leave. i asked what the problem, was and if i did something wrong. all he would say, and repeat, is that it's a management decision, that they would not like to play any table games ever at PH. He said i could play anything but table games, i could use the facilites, the restaurants, the shows, but they dont want me to play table games. then he shook my hand, i said ok, thanks, and he walked off, and the big security guy who was immediately standing with me, asked me if i was parked in valet. i said no.. i was walking. he said they were gonna escort me to the cage, and then out. they never said i couldnt come back, they just made it clear that they wanted me out at that moment, and when if i did come back, they i was not allowed to play any table games. not even craps.

    Why were you playing a 6:5
    > game with a weak spread? No competent counter would do
    > that.
    i was playing single deck with KO. that spread is 1:5 max. my bets were $25 -$125. how is that weak or not competent? i dont play shoes, i rarely do double deck. if 6:5 is the only game in town for the most part for single deck, thats what im gonna play...if i play. so im not sure what my reaction is supposed to be on this comment.
    If you are a non-counting AP, why post this
    > here?

    It is fairly obvious what the casino thought you
    > were doing and that would explain the ban from all
    > table games and not just blackjack.

    its not obvious to me....if they thought i was counting, and i was a SERIOUS THREAT to planet hollywood because i bought in for $1000 after losing a previous $200 buy in...who backs you off from games you dont even play...i dont play poker...i dont play pai gow,...no baccarat, no mini bacc. no three card...no nothing other than bj, and craps, which i had not even been playing there--craps that is).

    i find it hard to believe that of all these "experts" on this site, no one has any idea what the heck happened to cause this place to react so weird towards me; except insult me.

    thats why i was hoping for someone on the inside to lookup my account, and see what, if any, notes are on my account regarding my play. its not like anythings gonna change there; i just would like a true explanation.

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    Parker
    Guest

    Parker: Re: What are the facts?

    > Why were you playing a 6:5
    > i was playing single deck with KO. that spread is 1:5
    > max. my bets were $25 -$125. how is that weak or not
    > competent? i dont play shoes, i rarely do double deck.
    > if 6:5 is the only game in town for the most part for
    > single deck, thats what im gonna play...if i play. so
    > im not sure what my reaction is supposed to be on this
    > comment.

    You seem to be unaware that reducing the BJ payout to 6:5 increases the house advantage to a whopping 1.45%. In addition, the reduced BJ payout reduces the effects of removal, thus making card counting less effective. There is no way you will overcome this with KO and a 1-5 spread. Bottom line: You were playing a losing game, and you seem to be unaware of this fact, which is why some of the responses to your post have been of a skeptical nature.

    > i find it hard to believe that of all these
    > "experts" on this site, no one has any idea
    > what the heck happened to cause this place to react so
    > weird towards me; except insult me.

    No one is insulting you. As I explained above, the skepticism of some respondents is understandable, since you were playing a losing game.

    However, the answer is likely there if you read between the lines a bit. While the 6:5 single deck game cannot be beaten by counting cards, any game in the casino can be beaten under the right circumstances with the right techniques.

    I believe that you were the victim of a case of mistaken identity.


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    David Spence
    Guest

    David Spence: My mistake

    My mistake and humblest apologies. I misinterpreted your post to mean a single $200 chip, which, combined with the seemingly contradictory nature of parts of the story, made me unduly skeptical. No hard feelings, I hope.

    David

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