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Thread: Bettie: Only in Nevada!

  1. #14
    Saboteur
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    Saboteur: Isn't Versailles (KY) pronounced "Ver-Sales"? *NM*


  2. #15
    Panama Rick
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    Panama Rick: Spanish 101

    > The original Spanish pronunciation, which no
    > one uses anymore, was actually
    > "Nay-vah-da." There's a September
    > article in the LVRJ regarding this matter
    > and the history behind the various
    > pronunciations. I found it interesting;
    > maybe others will, too. Link below.

    > Bettie

    Nay VAH da is how gringos thinking they are speaking Spanish say it.

    First of all, the 'e' in Spanish is *always* pronounced 'eh'. This is true even if it has an accent, as in Jose' and cafe'. I know your Spanish books might say otherwise, but they are wrong. If you want to sound less like a gringo, pronounce the follow words as such: mesa (MEH sa), que (keh), bueno (bu EH no), Jose' (ho SEH), cafe' (cah FEH), quesadilla (keh sa DEE yah).

    Second of all, as noted by Don above, the 'v' is pronounced like a 'b'. To distinguish the two, we say, "v de vaca" or "b de burro."

    So, the correct Spanish pronunciation is: Neh BAH dah, we means, of all things, snowfall.

  3. #16
    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Spanish 101

    > First of all, the 'e' in Spanish is *always*
    > pronounced 'eh'. This is true even if it has
    > an accent, as in Jose' and cafe'. I know
    > your Spanish books might say otherwise, but
    > they are wrong. If you want to sound less
    > like a gringo, pronounce the follow words as
    > such: mesa (MEH sa), que (keh), bueno (bu EH
    > no), Jose' (ho SEH), cafe' (cah FEH),
    > quesadilla (keh sa DEE yah).

    Sounds funny to most people to say PEH-so (for "peso"), but you are correct on all aspects. Nice post.

    Don

    > snowfall.

  4. #17
    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Isn't Versailles (KY) pronounced "Ver-Sales"?

    Actually, that's the pronunciation of the Ohio city. In Kentucky, they say "Ver-SAWLS."

    In William Safire's excellent "What's the Good Word?" there is an fascinating section, from pp. 246-54, on "shibboleths." The discussion there is identical to the one we're having here, and he gives dozens of examples of native pronunciations and how they differ from "outlanders"' pronunciations.

    On p. 247, I am quoted in a paragraph discussing how the natives pronounce (what else?!) ... "Las Vegas, Nevada."

    Don

  5. #18
    WallStRunoff
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    WallStRunoff: Re: And don't forget, when you visit NY, ...

    > Don,

    > Speaking of New York oddities - is it still
    > true that you will automatically get cream
    > in your coffee unless you specify black
    > ahead of time?

    Sometimes this happens, but only rarely. They will generally ask like everywhere else. But I'm not surprised if that's the case if you don't specify black.

  6. #19
    WallStRunoff
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    WallStRunoff: Re: Only in Nevada!

    > The original Spanish pronunciation, which no
    > one uses anymore, was actually
    > "Nay-vah-da." There's a September
    > article in the LVRJ regarding this matter
    > and the history behind the various
    > pronunciations. I found it interesting;
    > maybe others will, too. Link below.

    > Bettie

    Now what about Kansas and Arkansas? Or Il-ah-noy.

  7. #20
    Bettie
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    Bettie: Not "Il-ah-noy," but "Il-ih-noy." *NM*


  8. #21
    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Only in Nevada!

    > Now what about Kansas and Arkansas?

    Not sure what you want to know about the two above. Seems to me that everyone knows how to pronounce them. However, many may not know that the Arkansas River is pronounced Ar-kan-ziss, with the last two syllables the same as the state of Kansas!

    Don

  9. #22
    WallStRunoff
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    WallStRunoff: Re: Only in Nevada!

    That's very odd indeed Don.

    I'm really not sure what I was looking for, but that suffices :-)

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