GLKamper: Hit soft 17 by law?

[GLKamper]

I'm going to be staying at the Reno Hilton in the near future so I looked up the BJ rules at their casino. There is a statement that says:

"In all these versions of 21, the dealer makes no decisions on playing his hand. Dealers must hit 16's and "soft" 17's in Nevada. "

I dug up some old issues of BJ Forum and confirmed that, while most casinos in Reno hit soft 17, there were a few casinos in LV that did not. Granted, my subscription to BJ Forum ran out a few years ago (right around the time I got married, coincidentally (?)) so the laws might have changed.

Is it now true dealers in Nevada MUST hit soft 17?

GLK

Reno Hilton Rules

[Parker]

> I'm going to be staying at the Reno Hilton
> in the near future so I looked up the BJ
> rules at their casino. There is a statement
> that says:

> "In all these versions of 21, the
> dealer makes no decisions on playing his
> hand. Dealers must hit 16's and
> "soft" 17's in Nevada. "

> I dug up some old issues of BJ Forum and
> confirmed that, while most casinos in Reno
> hit soft 17, there were a few casinos in LV
> that did not. Granted, my subscription to BJ
> Forum ran out a few years ago (right around
> the time I got married, coincidentally (?))
> so the laws might have changed.

> Is it now true dealers in Nevada MUST hit
> soft 17?

No. This is just plain wrong. There are still plenty of casinos on the Las Vegas strip in which is is possible to find shoe games with the dealer standing on soft 17. There is certainly no law to the contrary. Unlike some states, Nevada legislators have been reluctant to micromanage the specific rules of the games, although they must be approved by Gaming.

Al Rogers, my "counterpart" (and good friend) over at bj21.com, has been very active in reporting this sort of false and misleading advertising to Nevada Gaming, and his efforts have resulted in several websites being updated. When you check back at the Reno site, be sure to click your "refresh" button.

[Al Rogers]

...his efforts have resulted in several websites being updated.

I previously filed a complaint with the Gaming Control Board about Reno Hilton?s false statements on their website regarding 3 to 2 payoffs on blackjacks. The complaint was successfully resolved, with the Reno Hilton now mentioning the 6 to 5 ripoff games on their website. In that complaint, I inadvertently overlooked the misleading wording about the soft 17's.

I subsequently filed a complaint against the Las Vegas Hilton for the same false statement about blackjack payoffs, and included the misleading statement about soft 17?s in my complaint (the websites are almost identical). The Las Vegas Hilton corrected both problems after being contacted by the Gaming Control Board.

Today, I wrote a letter to the casino manager of the Reno Hilton, asking for a voluntarily correction to their website. If they fail to make the correction in a reasonable time, I will file another complaint with the Gaming Control Board.

[Coug Fan]

You must not be very popular with casino management at Nevada casinos. On the other hand, you could use it to your advantage and claim that they are persecuting you for your consumer protection work if they try to bar you for counting cards.

[Guy]

Here's another along a similar line...

I was researching BJ games in downtown LV last week and found a game at a "Club" named after a Nevada city that had a plastic placard on the table that stated, "Double on any 2 cards."

Since this was a single deck game I thought I had found a treasure. After a few minutes of play I had occasion to split and attempted to double on one of the split hands. Three pit critters later they decided I couldn't. Despite what the placard said, they determined it MEANT Double on any FIRST 2 cards.

I expected this to be the rule on such a game, but the very public placard is what caused me to play in the first place. Although I complained and strongly suggested they change or remove the placard they took no action. I did not get aggressive in my complaints as I wish to return and continue to profit from this game.

Probably no other player has noticed this (or cared), but it's blatant dishonesty like this that raises my ire and desire to beat these creeps. (For the record I would have lost double $ on that potential DAS hand. Oh well...)

> No. This is just plain wrong. There are
> still plenty of casinos on the Las Vegas
> strip in which is is possible to find shoe
> games with the dealer standing on soft 17.
> There is certainly no law to the contrary.
> Unlike some states, Nevada legislators have
> been reluctant to micromanage the specific
> rules of the games, although they must be
> approved by Gaming.

> Al Rogers, my "counterpart" (and
> good friend) over at bj21.com, has been very
> active in reporting this sort of false and
> misleading advertising to Nevada Gaming, and
> his efforts have resulted in several
> websites being updated. When you check back
> at the Reno site, be sure to click your
> "refresh" button.

[Al Rogers]

The Reno Hilton voluntarily agreed to remove the incorrect phrase from its website, and has done so.

Reno HIlton blackjack page

[Bettie]