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Thread: Kroy: 86'ed

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    Kroy
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    Kroy: 86'ed

    I was caught counting cards at Caesar's Palace, and forced to sign a card that said they already told me not to step in their casino again.
    However, I am still getting free room offers from them. Can I take upon them and go there? What's the worst can happen? I am not planning actually playing there, just want to stay there.

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    pat
    Guest

    pat: whats it like there

    > I was caught counting cards at Caesar's
    > Palace, and forced to sign a card that said
    > they already told me not to step in their
    > casino again.
    > However, I am still getting free room offers
    > from them. Can I take upon them and go
    > there? What's the worst can happen? I am not
    > planning actually playing there, just want
    > to stay there.
    i dont play there because i hear they sweat alot.what kind of spread can you get away with.its not as bad as the barbary is it?

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    Kroy
    Guest

    Kroy: Re: whats it like there

    > i dont play there because i hear they sweat
    > alot.what kind of spread can you get away
    > with.its not as bad as the barbary is it?

    from 1 hand $25 to two hands $150 each.

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    Sun Runner
    Guest

    Sun Runner: Re: 86'ed

    > However, I am still getting free room offers
    > from them. Can I take upon them and go
    > there?

    > What's the worst can happen?

    You might have to pay for the room. Take some money and be prepared to pay.

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    Coug Fan
    Guest

    Coug Fan: Questions

    > from 1 hand $25 to two hands $150 each.

    What game were you playing (# of decks), and how did they "force" you to sign the card? Did they detain you until you signed it? Even police can only detain you if they suspect that you have committed a crime, although I know that the US constitution does not apply in Nevada.

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    bigplayer
    Guest

    bigplayer: Worst that can happen

    You can pay for the room and spend the night in jail. Your signing the trespass statement (something you should NEVER DO) gives Caesars rock solid proof that you've been asked to never come back and did anyway. This makes an arrest for trespassing much more likely.

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    Sun Runner
    Guest

    Sun Runner: Re: Worst that can happen

    > You can pay for the room and spend the night in jail.

    The card Kroy signed applied to the casino, right?
    I have been told it does not cover rooms, restaurants, shops, etc.

    And I am no lawyer, but if AFTER signing their card, I received an invitation in the mail, from THEM, inviting me to stay, I would think they would have a hard time defending my jail time.

    That all being said, as a practical matter, I would be reluctant to go back in the first place.

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    Bad Action
    Guest

    Bad Action: Do not sign trespass acknowledgment

    As Big Player says, never sign the acknowledgment. They may attempt to intimidate you into signing -- they may even view this as their "duty" -- but it's your duty to know your rights before setting foot in the casino.

    You need not sign. You need not verbally acknowledge that you heard or understood the trespass act or any other instructions. You need not carry or provide identification, except in order to comply with money-laundering regulations. You need not wait to leave a casino once you have decided to leave, and should not be detained for any reason, provided you are not a cheat or criminal.

    If the cretins attempt a confrontational barring, do this:

    1) keep your hands at your sides (making it clear to the creeps and the eye that you are not a threat)

    2) calmly say, "I'm leaving"

    3) move towards the door

    Security will sometimes "bluff", blocking your path and extending a hand in your direction as if they mean to stop you physically. Their hope is that you will either stop out of fear or continue your course and walk into their extended hand, thus initiating the contact and exposing yourself to allegations of assault ("I had to detain him -- he touched/assaulted me & I acted in self-defense"). You should (again, calmly, with your hands at your sides) step around them if this happens -- it is typically a bluff. Except in the rarest of circumstances they will not initiate contact with you, no matter how intimidating they appear. Move calmly, confidently around them, always toward the door.

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    Kroy
    Guest

    Kroy: Re: Worst that can happen

    > The card Kroy signed applied to the casino,
    > right?
    > I have been told it does not cover rooms,
    > restaurants, shops, etc.

    If I remember correctly it covers all 5 PROPERTIES of theirs. I guess that means including rooms etc.

    > And I am no lawyer, but if AFTER signing
    > their card, I received an invitation in the
    > mail, from THEM, inviting me to stay, I
    > would think they would have a hard time
    > defending my jail time.

    That's what I was thinking. The question is though, does trespassing = crime = jail time?

    > That all being said, as a practical matter,
    > I would be reluctant to go back in the first
    > place.

    I am only going to take their free room. Won't play BJ there.

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    DD'
    Guest

    DD': what do you mean by forced?

    No pro would ever sign such a thing and would already have filed a law suit if not allowed to leave without signing. It is not too late. Did they tell you that you can't leave until you sign this card? Did anyone put their hands on you?

    Do not ever let anyone connected with a casino see that you are intimidated by them in any way. They have no authority.

    A player I knew had a story that I think was from Caesars. He looked at the card and said, "Okay, I"ll have my lawyer read this over and advise me on whether to sign. Thankyou." The casino knows immediately when they are up against a cool customer who has been through the routine a thousand times. Their bluff is called and it is over.

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