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Thread: NCounter: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

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    NCounter
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    NCounter: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    My friend claimed betting at the same TC when 2D left versus 4D left at 6d shoe should be different. Was he correct? For example, if I bet $500 at TC 4, should I bet less if running count 16 with 4D left than when running count is 8 with 2D left?

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    G Man
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    G Man: Re: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    > My friend claimed betting at the same TC when 2D left
    > versus 4D left at 6d shoe should be different. Was he
    > correct? For example, if I bet $500 at TC 4, should I
    > bet less if running count 16 with 4D left than when
    > running count is 8 with 2D left?

    No, the difference could and would be noticed at deeper penetration levels but not with two or four decks left. This is called "floating advantage" and Don covered all of it in his remarquable "Blackjack Attack 3". You friend would be correct if you could play at penetration levels over 5/6.

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    NCounter
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    NCounter: Re: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    In fact, some dealers give good penetration like 5/6 and the casino tolerates high spread since limit is low. Does "Floating Advanateg" implies I can bet TC 4 as if TC 5 on last hand at close to 5D? What about Adjustment indexes? Any adjustments?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    > In fact, some dealers give good penetration like 5/6
    > and the casino tolerates high spread since limit is
    > low. Does "Floating Advantage" implies I can
    > bet TC 4 as if TC 5 on last hand at close to 5D? What
    > about Adjustment indexes? Any adjustments?

    Short answer: no.

    See BJA3 for all the values. FA doesn't really kick in until beyond 5 decks.

    Don

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    A-Reader
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    A-Reader: Re: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    > Short answer: no.

    > See BJA3 for all the values. FA doesn't really kick in
    > until beyond 5 decks.

    > Don
    Were I wrong that there were some value 4.5 to 5D already??? Table 6.18A EV was 3.83 when TC >= 5, better than .00 D to 4.5D's 3.02???

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    > Were I wrong that there were some value 4.5 to 5D
    > already??? Table 6.18A EV was 3.83 when TC >= 5,
    > better than .00 D to 4.5D's 3.02???

    See p. 79, "Summary of findings." It would be a good idea to read the entire text, without looking at just the charts. All the answers are there, but you mustn't look for shortcuts.

    Don

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    brownian bridge
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    brownian bridge: Re: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    > See p. 79, "Summary of findings." It would
    > be a good idea to read the entire text, without
    > looking at just the charts. All the answers are there,
    > but you mustn't look for shortcuts.

    > Don

    What is the causality of floating advantage?
    You are the EXPERT of FA, aren't you?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    > What is the causality of floating advantage?
    > You are the EXPERT of FA, aren't you?

    I'm trying to lead you there, but you seem reticent to go:

    BJA3: Pp. 68-71. Do you not have the book? It's four pages of text, so not so easy to simply summarize here.

    Don

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    brownian bridge
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    brownian bridge: Re: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    > BJA3: Pp. 68-71. Do you not have the book? It's four
    > pages of text, so not so easy to simply summarize
    > here.

    > Don

    Thanks for your reply.

    on page 70, paragraph "Eureka!....."

    Is that your EXPLANATION?

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    brownian bridge
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    brownian bridge: Re: Betting when 4D let vs 2D left at 6D shoe

    > I'm trying to lead you there, but you seem reticent to
    > go:

    > BJA3: Pp. 68-71. Do you not have the book? It's four
    > pages of text, so not so easy to simply summarize
    > here.

    > Don

    on page 70, paragraph "Eureka!...."
    You claim, at one-deck level, something unexpected will happen.
    But, maybe, that assumption is contradictory to the concept of Shannon's entropy?

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