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    Some Action
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    Some Action: CAA and James Grojean

    Anyone read this or it's predecessor by him. I'd be interesting in hearing opinions from the mount of Don, Parker and Viktor.

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: CAA and James Grojean

    > Anyone read this or it's [its] predecessor by him. I'd be
    > interesting in hearing opinions from the mount of Don,
    > Parker and Viktor.

    I haven't read the second edition. I have the first. There is a wealth of material in it, and it is very scholarly in nature. However, only you can decide if you will put in the time and effort not only to master the techniques described but then to search for the opportunities actively, which is extremely time-consuming and, often, somewhat unpleasant.

    Some people will do almost anything if the price is right. Some won't. I happen to be in the latter camp, so you have to know yourself.

    Don

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    Some Action
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    Some Action: Re: CAA and James Grojean

    Thanks Don for the speedy reply.

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    Parker
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    Parker: Re: CAA and James Grojean

    I haven't seen the new edition, but Beyond Counting occupies a prominent place on my bookshelf.

    It is about the most math-intensive book this side of Peter Griffin, and it assumes a certain level of expertise both in math and advantage play.

    Essentially it provides detailed analysis and strategies for a variety of exploitable conditions one might encounter at various games in a casino.

    It may take considerable effort to find these conditions, but once found, the information in the book provides the astute AP with a substantial edge.

    While certainly not for everyone, it presents a wealth of information that I have not seen anywhere else.

    I have been offered $500 for my copy (it is not for sale).


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    Some Action
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    Some Action: Re: CAA and James Grojean

    Thanks Parker for the info. Much to ponder.

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    Some Action
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    Some Action: Re: CAA and James Grojean

    > I haven't read the second edition. I have the first.
    > There is a wealth of material in it, and it is very
    > scholarly in nature. However, only you can decide if
    > you will put in the time and effort not only to master
    > the techniques described but then to search for the
    > opportunities actively, which is extremely
    > time-consuming and, often, somewhat unpleasant.

    > Some people will do almost anything if the price is
    > right. Some won't. I happen to be in the latter camp,
    > so you have to know yourself.

    > Don

    The area of hole carding is a complete unknown to me so please excuse any questions that are naive or banal.

    I can see where searching could be very time consuming and would be best if you lived in an area where there were a number of casinos but are you able to expand on the "often, somewhat unpleasant." part of your answer.

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: CAA and James Grojean

    > I can see where searching could be very time consuming
    > and would be best if you lived in an area where there
    > were a number of casinos but are you able to expand on
    > the "often, somewhat unpleasant" part of
    > your answer.

    Sure -- two parts. First, as James describes, going literally all over the country, if not the world, to exploit opportunities sometimes leads you to locations and establishments that you would otherwise stay away from like the plague. To some, putting up with discomfort is the "cost" of doing business.

    Second, occasionally, there are repercussions for trying to get advantages that are "non-standard." The story of James's run-in with the Imperial Palace is, of course, the major case in point.

    Don

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    Some Action
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    Some Action: Re: CAA and James Grojean

    Thanks very much. As always, highly informative and to the point.

    Some Action

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    AutomaticMonkey
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    AutomaticMonkey: Physical stuff

    > Sure -- two parts. First, as James describes, going
    > literally all over the country, if not the world, to
    > exploit opportunities sometimes leads you to locations
    > and establishments that you would otherwise stay away
    > from like the plague. To some, putting up with
    > discomfort is the "cost" of doing business.

    > Second, occasionally, there are repercussions for
    > trying to get advantages that are
    > "non-standard." The story of James's run-in
    > with the Imperial Palace is, of course, the major case
    > in point.

    > Don

    Not only that, HC is hard to do full-time if you're big. There are some flashers that anyone can see and every AP should know what to do when they see it, but it helps a lot to be short. I'm a big freak and yes, I have laid down on the table and degraded myself in other ways to sneak peeks, but it's hard to make a living that way, and that behavior also jeopardizes HC games that other more physically apt people could exploit.

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