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    AdvantageRay
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    AdvantageRay: CVDATA vs CVCX

    Quick (and probably stupid) question that I could not get the answer to down below. What is the difference between CVDATA and CVCX? It seems to me that they are both simulators, yet there are package deals where you can buy both. What good would both do for me that one could not? I tried going to the Qfit site, but there wasnt a whole lot on comparison of the various packages. Norm, might I suggest a grid with he four pieces of software vs features that compares the four pieces of software? (Not just for me of course, but thinking that other beginners to software might have the same problem)

    Thanks!

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: I?ll try to make this brief


    CVCX is generally used for quick game & strategy comparison, risk and bankroll calculation and optimal betting strategy formulation. It contains 50,000 800,000,000 round canned sims (120,000 2,000,000,000 round sims in V3) and allows very simple switching between sims to see the differences. As you change number of decks, penetrations by the cards, bankroll, risk and rules, the optimal bets, win rates, risk and SCOREs are instantly calculated and displayed. There is no Calculate button. The results change as you change the options. A simulator is also included. In a normal BJ simulator you specify rules, penetration, decks and betting and run one sim. The CVCX simulator is unique in that it can perform thousands of sims at once. Different combinations of rules, penetrations and decks are run for one strategy allowing you to change the settings after the sim.

    CVData is very different. It is an in-depth simulator. Instead of one page of stats, it can generate 250 pages. Instead of simple optimal betting ramps, it can handle absurdly complex cover betting. Data handling features allow charting and manipulation of the output. For example, you can closely examine the differences between sims. More complex sim situations can be simmed including errors, multiple players using different strategies, counting by inference, multi-parameter tables, peeking at other players? cards, variable numbers of players or rounds, more complex TC calculation, more rules, Insurance side counts, betting side counts, different strategies at different depths, and many more features about to be released in V3. Index generation is also supported. However, CVData does not create optimal betting ramps.




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    AdvantageRay
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    AdvantageRay: Re: I?ll try to make this brief

    > CVCX is generally used for quick game &
    > strategy comparison, risk and bankroll
    > calculation and optimal betting strategy
    > formulation. It contains 50,000 800,000,000
    > round canned sims (120,000 2,000,000,000
    > round sims in V3) and allows very simple
    > switching between sims to see the
    > differences. As you change number of decks,
    > penetrations by the cards, bankroll, risk
    > and rules, the optimal bets, win rates, risk
    > and SCOREs are instantly calculated and
    > displayed. There is no Calculate button. The
    > results change as you change the options. A
    > simulator is also included. In a normal BJ
    > simulator you specify rules, penetration,
    > decks and betting and run one sim. The CVCX
    > simulator is unique in that it can perform
    > thousands of sims at once. Different
    > combinations of rules, penetrations and
    > decks are run for one strategy allowing you
    > to change the settings after the sim.

    > CVData is very different. It is an in-depth
    > simulator. Instead of one page of stats, it
    > can generate 250 pages. Instead of simple
    > optimal betting ramps, it can handle
    > absurdly complex cover betting. Data
    > handling features allow charting and
    > manipulation of the output. For example, you
    > can closely examine the differences between
    > sims. More complex sim situations can be
    > simmed including errors, multiple players
    > using different strategies, counting by
    > inference, multi-parameter tables, peeking
    > at other players? cards, variable numbers of
    > players or rounds, more complex TC
    > calculation, more rules, Insurance side
    > counts, betting side counts, different
    > strategies at different depths, and many
    > more features about to be released in V3.
    > Index generation is also supported. However,
    > CVData does not create optimal betting
    > ramps.

    Thanks Norm! CVCX is all I need at the present time, although CV Data does present some amazing options and will definitely consider purchasing it as my needs progress. Is V3 out yet? If not, when should it be available?

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Re: I?ll try to make this brief


    V3 will be out shortly. Anyone that purchases CVCX or CVData now will receive them and also get V3 automatically when it comes out.

    > Thanks Norm! CVCX is all I need at the
    > present time, although CV Data does present
    > some amazing options and will definitely
    > consider purchasing it as my needs progress.
    > Is V3 out yet? If not, when should it be
    > available?




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    Dancer
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    Dancer: Consider the package

    > Thanks Norm! CVCX is all I need at the
    > present time, although CV Data does present
    > some amazing options and will definitely
    > consider purchasing it as my needs progress.
    > Is V3 out yet? If not, when should it be
    > available?

    Hey Ray,

    I'm not associated with Norm in any way, but I would strongly suggest you consider the CVCX/CVData package. As you surmised, CVCX is a necessity, but you will learn more about the game of BJ than you can possibly imagine (seriously) by browsing the 250+ pages of CVData output Norm mentioned. It has no equal in the BJ world. You'll be amazed.

    And you'll save a few bucks.

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    AdvantageRay
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    AdvantageRay: Re: Consider the package

    > Hey Ray,

    > I'm not associated with Norm in any way, but
    > I would strongly suggest you consider the
    > CVCX/CVData package. As you surmised, CVCX
    > is a necessity, but you will learn more
    > about the game of BJ than you can possibly
    > imagine (seriously) by browsing the 250+
    > pages of CVData output Norm mentioned. It
    > has no equal in the BJ world. You'll be
    > amazed.

    > And you'll save a few bucks.

    Thanks Dancer, I will strongly consider it

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