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Thread: Norm Wattenberger: CVData Version 3 planning

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: CVData Version 3 planning


    Planning for the next version of CVData is underway. Release will not be for many months. (And of course there will be an available upgrade.) There are several areas of new functionality planned. But, I would like to obtain additional feedback from both current users and non-users. In particular, I occasionally see posts on other sites saying that sims don?t accurately portray real casino play. Frankly, I doubt if any of the people making such posts have ever seen what sims can do. But, if anyone thinks that sims do not accurately portray actual casino experience ? please tell me now during the planning stages. I?ll be happy to discuss this here or in private. Monte-Carlo techniques successfully landed a robot on Mars. Believe me when I say that such techniques are fully capable of realistic casino simulation given input from enough players on their styles of play. If you wish to keep suggestions, comments & discussion limited to a smaller audience; feel free to post them to Don's Domain.

    norm




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    Shaggy18vw
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    Shaggy18vw: Re: CVData Version 3 planning

    Norm, I have been tinkering with the demo version of your product for about a month and I just purchased a seat of CVData through RGE on Sunday. The only suggestions I can offer as I am new to the sim environment is maybe allowing the player to bet a little more random. Allow him to play two hands at big counts not always but sometimes. This could be done by allowing the player to input a percentage of the time he will play two hands at a specific count. This will enable the player to adjust the sim to what he feels is more similar to his playing style.
    Another point I would like to mention is possibly the ability to parlay extra winnings (after double downs etc) as the count increases. These changes and others might make the task of setting up a betting scheme somewhat tedious, however I think the user may feel even more comfortable with his results.
    The last point is actually something I have discussed with you some time ago. Adding the ability to simulate team play. Either tandem players on different tables or big player / spotter techniques. The delay for entry of the big player could be set as an average number of rounds missed. If multiple spotters are used, the missed opportunity would also need to be addressed.
    Just some thoughts to add to an already excellent product. Thanks, Shaggy

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    Alan
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    Alan: Re: CVData Version 3 planning

    Hi Norm,

    "Remove seat effect" would be the most beneficial upgrade for me.


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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Betting Dimension 4


    OK, I?ll tell you my thoughts on this. Currently, there exist three dimensions to betting as follows:

      [*]Simple betting strategy allows you to specify a number of units and number of hands for each count. General cover options are also allowed. This is the type of betting you see in most simulators. (Although not all simulators support limiting jumps.)[*]Advanced betting adds a second dimension. Here you can specify a bet for every count, for every previous bet. Hence a two-dimensional table.[*]A third dimension can be added for previous hand status. Won or Lost with modifications for splits, double downs, etc.[/list]

      What I?m considering is a fourth dimension for variability. An additional, optional table would be supplied that would mirror the Advanced Strategy three dimensional table cell for cell. But, for each cell, you could add a percentage and an alternate bet. The bet would be changed, randomly according to the percentage, to the alternate bet. When an alternate bet is made, this can also affect later bets as the alternate bet will be used to look up the next bet since it will be used to select the previous bet row.

      One additional possibility is to expand the third dimension of the table to allow more choices based on previous hand type (DD, Split, etc.) Two problems here. On old strategies would have to be modified. Two, it adds a great deal to the bet setup effort. Perhaps I could support the old way and new way optionally.

      I think this will allow substantial additional variability. Comments are welcome as it will take a bit of work to add this without impacting speed.

      norm




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    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Team Play

    > The last point is actually something I have
    > discussed with you some time ago. Adding the
    > ability to simulate team play. Either tandem
    > players on different tables or big player /
    > spotter techniques.

    Yes I would like to add team play in the next version. This one requires a lot more thought.

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    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Remove seat effect

    > "Remove seat effect" would be the
    > most beneficial upgrade for me.

    Haven't decided on that one yet. I liked the option and will put it back at some point. I haven't been in a hurry since the Standard simulator is so much faster than the Multi-Tracking simulator.

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    Dancer
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    Dancer: Obscure wishlist item...

    Norm,

    I'm a huge fan of your tools and recommend them whenever I get the opportunity. I've got an obsure wishlist item. No big deal if you can't justify the time, but it never hurts to ask...

    I combine my ace side count with my running count to produce a third count -- different than my betting or playing count -- that I use solely for insurance purposes. And just to make it more fun, I play the insurance count by running count not true count.

    It's very accurate (I've simmed it many times separately) and very easy to play in the casino, but it certainly adds some complexity from a simulation standpoint.

    If there are others out there that might benefit, I'd love to see it.

    I attribute a significant portion of my bankroll growth over the last few years to insights I've gained from using your tools.

    I've paid for them MANY times over.

    Thanks...

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    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Re: Obscure wishlist item...


    Thanks. Could you e-mail me details of this count?



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    Dancer
    Guest

    Dancer: Re: Obscure wishlist item...

    > Thanks. Could you e-mail me details of this
    > count?

    Pretty straight forward...

    Hi-Opt II for betting/playing. For insurance, add the ace side count to the running count -- produces the following count (IC = 93%):

    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X
    1 1 1 2 2 1 1 0 0 -2

    Take insurance at a running count of +5 in single deck, +9 in double deck. The gain is small (about $1/hour in DD -- slightly more in SD playing black), but it's a snap to play and accurate to the exact card. Why not?

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    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Re: Obscure wishlist item...

    Ahh. That should be simple to add. Just have to figure out where to put the option.

    > Pretty straight forward...

    > Hi-Opt II for betting/playing. For
    > insurance, add the ace side count to the
    > running count -- produces the following
    > count (IC = 93%):

    > A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X
    > 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 0 0 -2

    > Take insurance at a running count of +5 in
    > single deck, +9 in double deck. The gain is
    > small (about $1/hour in DD -- slightly more
    > in SD playing black), but it's a snap to
    > play and accurate to the exact card. Why
    > not?

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    Dancer
    Guest

    Dancer: Re: Obscure wishlist item...

    > Ahh. That should be simple to add. Just have
    > to figure out where to put the option.

    That would be great. Thanks again for all the work you do that benefits so many.

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    bigplayer
    Guest

    bigplayer: Wish List

    1. Enhanced Stability. I still get occasional crashes from both CVCX and CV-Data.
    2. Easier data entry without having to use a mouse. I'd like to be able to just tab from field to field and manually enter the correct choice via a keyboard rather than have to click up and down arrows.
    3. Have the program know what simulator to choose. The user should not have to select between standard simulator and multi-threaded simulation. It should all just be automatic.
    4. Support 6:5 payoffs (or any payoff a user can devise)
    5. Easier and faster setup of custom systems...again..being able to tab from field to field within index matricies and quickly enter either a letter (H for hit for example) or number for the index without having to use a mouse.

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    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Re: Wish List


    > 1. Enhanced Stability. I still get
    > occasional crashes from both CVCX and
    > CV-Data.

    Shouldn't be any crashes. If you get one, try to remember exactly what you did and e-mail me.

    > 2. Easier data entry without having to use a
    > mouse. I'd like to be able to just tab from
    > field to field and manually enter the
    > correct choice via a keyboard rather than
    > have to click up and down arrows.

    Some optional direct data entry will be added in CVCX. The original idea was to allow instant recalculations without keyboard entry.

    > 3. Have the program know what simulator to
    > choose. The user should not have to select
    > between standard simulator and
    > multi-threaded simulation. It should all
    > just be automatic.

    The reason you select the simulator is that some of the options change. Most importantly, the playing and betting pages since you have to attach strategies for each seat.

    > 4. Support 6:5 payoffs (or any payoff a user
    > can devise)

    Yeh, I suppose I should add that. I thought about it a couple months ago and couldn't bring myself to do it

    > 5. Easier and faster setup of custom
    > systems...again..being able to tab from
    > field to field within index matricies and
    > quickly enter either a letter (H for hit for
    > example) or number for the index without
    > having to use a mouse.

    Hadn't though about using the keyboard in that manner. I'll look at it.



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