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    Battery
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    Battery: El Paso BJ?

    I'll be in El Paso to see Minnesota beat Oregon in the Sun Bowl on New Year's Eve.

    If I have time, is it worth the effort to check out their Indian casino?

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    10Splitter
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    10Splitter: Re: El Paso BJ?

    > I'll be in El Paso to see Minnesota beat
    > Oregon in the Sun Bowl on New Year's Eve.

    > If I have time, is it worth the effort to
    > check out their Indian casino?

    Its not worth the effort at all. The per-hand commision makes the blackjack games worthless.

    10Splitter

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    Battery
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    Battery: Re: El Paso BJ?

    > Its not worth the effort at all. The
    > per-hand commision makes the blackjack games
    > worthless.

    > 10Splitter

    Thanks for the advice.

    When I first saw the word "commission", I assumed they took a fee when you bought your chips. But a per hand charge? Winners and losers both? Sounds very time consuming. Just how do they administer it? Thanks.

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    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: Re: El Paso BJ?

    > But a per hand charge?
    > Winners and losers both?
    > Sounds very time consuming.
    > Just how do they administer it?

    Not specific to El Paso -but evey Indian place I have been in has had the same routine ..

    * yes, every hand
    * winners and losers both? yes, every player, every hand, in advance.

    Usually the rake is $.25 to $.50 per player, per hand, depending on the table minimum and/or the actual amount bet.

    The player (translate: the dealer, actually) maintains a little pile of quarters (and I don't mean "greens") beside the players chips/betting square/etc.

    From what I've seen, nobody cares much about the dealer making change out of their chip stack -it's always been kinda' a down home attitude with everybody knowing each other -but me!

    Before each hand is dealt, the dealer takes the rake from every player .. and then deals the round.

    All play after that is as you might expect, per the house rules.

    Believe it or not the dealer is pretty swift in collecting the rake; it goes pretty quickly.

    "Battery" is right; it's lamost impossible to beat the rake based on a play-all EV.

    IF, and I mean IF, you can back count and Wong in at really high counts you can make it work for you. I have played my share of BJ with the Native Americans, and I try to get in at +3 or better. I am net positive to the Indian Rake by a pretty decent amount.

    If El Paso does not allow mid shoe entry, forget about it.

    Keep chips at the ready to Wong in with as well as some of their local "quarter" chips to pay the rake. You don't want to be jumping in, placing a bet, and then making everybody wait till you have change for the rake. Kinda' embarassing and the locals don't like you jumping anyway.

    Wait for the monster high count and let er rip! Don't be obnoxious/greedy though -you don't want to land in Indian jail. Yikes.

    Good luck.

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    j11
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    j11: Try Northeast tribal casinos.

    Try tribal casinos in the Northeastern US - Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in Connecticut and Turning Stone in New York do not have these rakes/fees.

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    Dog Hand
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    Dog Hand: Indian Casinos in Louisiana also take no rake *NM*


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    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: El Paso ...

    The original question was regarding El Paso and the "rake."

    Certainly not all Indian Casinos take a rake. Casinos, in states that offer a limited gaming license to them, must bastardize the game a little from a "gambling" event to some type of "social" event.

    It's all smoke and mirrors, you're playing BJ by paying a small "fee" per hand to the casino.

    Without the ability to back count deep and Wong in it is impossible to beat.

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