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    newbie-newbie-doo
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    newbie-newbie-doo: Back-counting question

    Suppose the dealer wiped out the table last round, and the count before the next round is +8 hi-lo. Should I toss out my max bet, or should I stick with the table minimum?

    And if I do toss out the maximum in the above situation, is it detrimental to my EV?

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    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: Re: Back-counting question

    I assume the count you refer to is the true count; not the runnig count.

    Unless you subscribe to the Jerry Patterson school of player breaking tables, table dumping, etc., if the count is plus 8, get out your big bet.

    At plus 8, not getting your big bet out is detrimental to your EV.


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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Re: Back-counting question

    SR is quite right of course. All that I would add is that when a huge number of small cards come out in one round, a large increase in your bet can bring heat. The pit boss can't count. But it's hard to miss a table covered with small cards and the casino knows that raises the count.

    > Suppose the dealer wiped out the table last round, and
    > the count before the next round is +8 hi-lo. Should I
    > toss out my max bet, or should I stick with the table
    > minimum?

    > And if I do toss out the maximum in the above
    > situation, is it detrimental to my EV?

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    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: Re: Back-counting question

    > All that I would add is
    > that when a huge number of small cards come out in one
    > round, a large increase in your bet can bring heat.

    True enough.

    Newbie-Newbie-Doo left many variables out of his original question but this being the beginner page I kinda assumed he was playing a shoe game here.

    If he was,I was also wondering why his last bet before this one was a table minimum bet. If it was +8 now, I bet the count was not that far behind on the last hand and he probably should have had out something other than a minimum bet anyway.

    And further, Newbie, Norm is right, and there are several considerations, but when/if you are playing nickles, don't get to caught up in the 'heat' thing. Just try and play properly and earn some money.

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    newbie-newbie-doo
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    newbie-newbie-doo: Re: Back-counting question

    > True enough.

    > Newbie-Newbie-Doo left many variables out of his
    > original question but this being the beginner page I
    > kinda assumed he was playing a shoe game here.

    > If he was,I was also wondering why his last bet before
    > this one was a table minimum bet. If it was +8 now, I
    > bet the count was not that far behind on the last hand
    > and he probably should have had out something other
    > than a minimum bet anyway.

    Norm and SR:

    I should've added this to my original post to make myself clear: what if the player is backcounting a few hands over a full table & into a positive shoe until a player or 2 left ( so the player could jump in ) and the TC is +8 ?

    > And further, Newbie, Norm is right, and there are
    > several considerations, but when/if you are playing
    > nickles, don't get to caught up in the 'heat' thing.
    > Just try and play properly and earn some money.

    I agree. What about quarters?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Back-counting question

    > Norm and SR:

    > I should've added this to my original post to make
    > myself clear: what if the player is backcounting a few
    > hands over a full table & into a positive shoe
    > until a player or 2 left (so the player could jump in)
    > and the TC is +8 ?

    What could possibly be better? You're describing the dream scenario: You back-count a table with 4 or 5 players (assuming you can't find any better); the count soars; the dealer gets hot and wipes out the table two or three times in a row; several players get up in disgust. You're in!

    Alternatively, you don't want everybody to keep winning (and staying!), instead, do you?

    Don

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    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: Re: Back-counting question

    > I agree. What about quarters?

    As is pointed out around the net on a fairly routine basis, I don't normally buy in for greens or blacks. Depending on the variables however, generally the higher the stakes the higher the need to be discreet.

    To be specific though, in the situation you described, were I BC'ing and playing greens when the count jumped to plus 8 -most likely -I'd be pulling chairs out from under people just to get my bet down.

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    Magician
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    Magician: Re: Back-counting question

    > As is pointed out around the net on a fairly routine
    > basis, I don't normally buy in for greens or blacks.

    Well Peter Griffin was a low-stakes player too, IIRC.

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    Mr. Lee
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    Mr. Lee: Reno question

    I am planning on going there in a couple weeks and was wondering if you guys have any advice on casinos and where to stay. My top bet will be one hundred and i will be using hi-lo. And do you have any tricks on true count conversion for single deck? I know its easy but its my first time and playing facedown with other people i will try to get them to show me their cards, etc. My original plan was to spead to 200 but i had some bad variance playing shoe.

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    WallStRunoff
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    WallStRunoff: Re: Back-counting question

    > What could possibly be better? You're describing the
    > dream scenario: You back-count a table with 4 or 5
    > players (assuming you can't find any better); the
    > count soars; the dealer gets hot and wipes out the
    > table two or three times in a row; several players get
    > up in disgust. You're in!

    > Alternatively, you don't want everybody to keep
    > winning (and staying!), instead, do you?

    > Don

    Yeah! Jump in there with as much as your bankroll will tolerate! Make a comment like "lets go ((Bob)), I have time for a couple of hands before I go eat dinner". Look at your watch and cover and play a few hands at once if the place is crowded to block some spots.

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