What is considered "good" pen? What is the norm for casinos? At what point is it just not worth it to play the game?
What is considered "good" pen? What is the norm for casinos? At what point is it just not worth it to play the game?
> What is considered "good" pen?
> What is the norm for casinos? At what point
> is it just not worth it to play the game?
Many informed players feel that to be a "good" game,a multi deck shoe should be dealt to the 75-80% point,a double deck 70-75%, single deck 65%.These are just rough guidelines,in the real world of worsening game conditions,such tables may not be available where you play.
> Many informed players feel that to be a
> "good" game,a multi deck shoe
> should be dealt to the 75-80% point,a double
> deck 70-75%, single deck 65%.These are just
> rough guidelines,in the real world of
> worsening game conditions,such tables may
> not be available where you play.
I mean, I wonder whether it could be considered correct if you'd ask a dealer "how deep are you *supposed/expected* to cut the shoe?", or would be that frowned upon?
To my beginner & naive perception, there is no heat at all in northern Italy / Swiss casinos, so they might be less "sensible" to such questions than in LV for instance...
I ask that because I saw *many* times a dealer cut off 1.5 decks (or more!) off a 6-decks shoe, then reconsider, take out the half-inserted cut-card and place it deeper, say to cut off ~ only 1 deck out of 6...
This lets you think that they are instructed to uniform to some "penetration House Directive" or something...
That subject line ought to generate a few hits. :-)
> I mean, I wonder whether it could be
> considered correct if you'd ask a dealer
> "how deep are you *supposed/expected*
> to cut the shoe?", or would be that
> frowned upon?
In most US casinos, and especially those in Nevada, revealing any knowledge or interest at all in penetration is a Bad Thing, since penetration is of interest primarily to card counters, and the casinos know this.
> To my beginner & naive perception, there
> is no heat at all in northern Italy / Swiss
> casinos, so they might be less
> "sensible" to such questions than
> in LV for instance...
I have no experience in non-US casinos, so I cannot say. However, I would suggest that you be very careful in any casino in which you plan to spend a lot of time.
> I ask that because I saw *many* times a
> dealer cut off 1.5 decks (or more!) off a
> 6-decks shoe, then reconsider, take out the
> half-inserted cut-card and place it deeper,
> say to cut off ~ only 1 deck out of 6...
> This lets you think that they are instructed
> to uniform to some "penetration House
> Directive" or something...
I have had some limited success in acting really dumb (I'm good at this :-)) but trying to be "helpful" by suggesting to the dealer, "Duh, you know, if you put that little card a little closer the bottom, you wouldn't have to shuffle as often."
> I have had some limited success in acting
> really dumb (I'm good at this :-)) but
> trying to be "helpful" by
> suggesting to the dealer, "Duh, you
> know, if you put that little card a little
> closer the bottom, you wouldn't have to
> shuffle as often."
It might also be possible, in a similar vein of feigning dumbness, to ask, rather awkwardly, something along the lines of, "How do you know where to put that card? Does the casino tell you where it's supposed to go?" Or some such thing.
Don
> I mean, I wonder whether it could be
> considered correct if you'd ask a dealer
> "how deep are you *supposed/expected*
> to cut the shoe?", or would be that
> frowned upon?
> To my beginner & naive perception, there
> is no heat at all in northern Italy / Swiss
> casinos, so they might be less
> "sensible" to such questions than
> in LV for instance...
> I ask that because I saw *many* times a
> dealer cut off 1.5 decks (or more!) off a
> 6-decks shoe, then reconsider, take out the
> half-inserted cut-card and place it deeper,
> say to cut off ~ only 1 deck out of 6...
> This lets you think that they are instructed
> to uniform to some "penetration House
> Directive" or something...
Besides curiousity, what would be the purpose of such a question? You already know they cut 1-1.5 decks from 6. My turn to be just curious...
> Besides curiousity, what would be the
> purpose of such a question? You already know
> they cut 1-1.5 decks from 6. My turn to be
> just curious...
:-)
oh, well, I saw considerations about acceptable pens, and I started wondering...
1.5 out of 6 is 75%
1/6 is 83%
I saw in the posts that 75% and 83% are considered not quite the same, and as I'm not quite good anyway at sizing decks at sight (but I can see when they shift the cut card deeper after 1st insertion), I thought it would have been easier for me if I could know the House Directive about it (barring dealer sloppiness).
In the end, this is only foreplay preparation for WHEN I'll start to learn&practice counting, sorry ;-)
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