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Thread: Ouchez: Is Midwest BJ on a downward slide?

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    Ouchez
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    Ouchez: Is Midwest BJ on a downward slide?

    I can only speak for the area I play in and I would have to say just a little. This is due to the fact that SE has all CSM now and has 8 deck in HS. SE always was bad, for the most part, so it is no real lose. I have in the last few weeks lost one of my "gems in the rough" which I feel badly about, but all else is static, except for fewer tables being opened than in the past. I blame this on an attempt to keep cost down, but a short sighted move on the part of the casino.

    What we need here is a few more casinos opening in the Southern part of the state, and they are in the works.

    I have heard that the Ill. and Ind. games have slipped considerably but this may be due to higher taxation rates having a negative effect. Maybe someone can shed some light on this situation who is from the area.

    ETF has also reported of a former good house turning into a "Burn Joint".

    On the other hand EK reports of a casino going from 6d to 4d, my favorite game.

    Detroit has a dd game now, and that is a positive. But some casinos there have gone to 8 deck games.

    What do Ya'll think?

    Ouchez.

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    ET Fan
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    ET Fan: There is a slow, glacial movement

    ... straight into the crapper. The movement is universal across the US, but there are small pockets of positive variance here and there. Atlantic City is one example, I've heard. And there are pockets in WI, but if I told you, I'd have to kill you.

    Long time readers know my favorite place in Indiana, and let me just say reports of its descent into pitdom have been greatly exaggerated.

    My tour of all casinos offering blackjack in WI led me to this conclusion: every one of them has at least one game beatable for some serious money. I'll define that as earning more per hour than the pit boss with a 1% ROR on a bankroll less than or equal to his annual salary.

    And that's just with straight counting. Black chippers obviously can't get much of a fix in the dairy state ... yet.

    If I visit a place, I usually report on it, and if I don't blast 'em out of the water ... read between the lines.

    We don't expect them to just hand the money over, do we? That'd be no fun.

    ETF

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    Fernando
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    Fernando: Positively...maybe!!

    > I can only speak for the area I play in and
    > I would have to say just a little. This is
    > due to the fact that SE has all CSM now and
    > has 8 deck in HS. SE always was bad, for the
    > most part, so it is no real lose. I have in
    > the last few weeks lost one of my "gems
    > in the rough" which I feel badly about,
    > but all else is static, except for fewer
    > tables being opened than in the past. I
    > blame this on an attempt to keep cost down,
    > but a short sighted move on the part of the
    > casino.

    > What we need here is a few more casinos
    > opening in the Southern part of the state,
    > and they are in the works.

    > I have heard that the Ill. and Ind. games
    > have slipped considerably but this may be
    > due to higher taxation rates having a
    > negative effect. Maybe someone can shed some
    > light on this situation who is from the
    > area.

    > ETF has also reported of a former good house
    > turning into a "Burn Joint".

    > On the other hand EK reports of a casino
    > going from 6d to 4d, my favorite game.

    > Detroit has a dd game now, and that is a
    > positive. But some casinos there have gone
    > to 8 deck games.

    > What do Ya'll think?

    > Ouchez.

    If you are refering to the Detroit-Windsor area, then yes,it has been all downhill.

    Why, because of the (dumber than rocks) influx of the typical Ohio gambler.

    Fernando

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    Ouchez
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    Ouchez: ROTFLMAO! *NM*


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    hard18
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    hard18: A few Ideas

    First off I think that it is human nature that the more one knows, the worse things look and I think I can say about everyone on this board that we all know more than we used to.

    That being said I've seen my share of good games end and I've seen some great promotions come and go, but I think there is more to it than just good games. Quantity is definety a factor and we can all agree that there are more games than there used to be. Another factor(for some) is table maxes and what size bet will draw heavy heat, I belive this amount goes up much faster than the quality of the games has been going down as of late.

    Also, a few months ago I asked a friend of mine who has been an advantage player since the mid 60s if he thought that the state of BJ is worse today than it was then and he said it was his opinion that it is better today than it was "back in the day." I am not going to go through all of his reasons, but a few were back then there we only so many places to play that once you were booted from them you were done and had to become a BJ author ;-). Nowadays you could play at a different casino everyday for 2 years without seeing the same pit critter. Also in the past you didnt know if they were going to cash out your chips or break your knees(hey it didnt happen often but all it takes is for it to happen to one guy one time and its always in the back of your head)

    Anyhow everything gets worse(taxes comes to mind) over time, but I think it will be a long time before any able-minded person with some knowhow and discipline won't be able to make a buck at this game we love.

    Good Luck(and good games)
    hard18

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    sam
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    sam: Re: There is a slow, glacial movement

    I'm fairly new. What is your favorite place in Indiana?

    > ... straight into the crapper. The movement
    > is universal across the US, but there are
    > small pockets of positive variance here and
    > there. Atlantic City is one example, I've
    > heard. And there are pockets in WI, but if I
    > told you, I'd have to kill you.

    > Long time readers know my favorite place in
    > Indiana, and let me just say reports of its
    > descent into pitdom have been greatly
    > exaggerated.

    > My tour of all casinos offering blackjack in
    > WI led me to this conclusion: every one of
    > them has at least one game beatable for some
    > serious money. I'll define that as earning
    > more per hour than the pit boss with a 1%
    > ROR on a bankroll less than or equal to his
    > annual salary.

    > And that's just with straight counting.
    > Black chippers obviously can't get much of a
    > fix in the dairy state ... yet.

    > If I visit a place, I usually report on it,
    > and if I don't blast 'em out of the water
    > ... read between the lines.

    > We don't expect them to just hand the money
    > over, do we? That'd be no fun.

    > ETF

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    ET Fan
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    ET Fan: Sorry

    I don't believe in posting anything good about a casino ever, on an open board. I'm totally anal about that.

    You could email me, but I don't recognise your handle and you could be a casino spy. Stuff like that actually happens.

    ... An' that's the name athat tune ...
    ETF

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