Ouchez: New attack method for DD game

[Electric Kid]

> In all the casinos I have been to, the
> dealer flips over the hole card before
> gathering the cards from the table and
> putting them in the discard tray, even when
> the heads up player busts. I believe they do
> this for the eye. I have never seen the
> dealer sweep the hole card without flipping
> it over.
> Good Luck
> Slowhand

in the Kewadin chain have this rule. You may not even be aware of this rule because if you are playing at a full table it may never happen while your are playing. When a casino posts their rules they seen to leave this one off their list.

[Count of Montecristo]

That Sonja has invaded this board???

> Well I really can't be sure how they see me,
> as a threat or not. They keep an eye on me
> and I do behave, and as I said I cultivate
> friendships.

> I never shove their face in it as that is a
> sure fire way to make an enemy. In those
> instances when I do hit them hard I keep it
> short and leave for several hours or even
> days. I am also a big tipper to the dealers
> that deserve it.

> As far as a threat to my bank roll playing
> this way, I think not. The loss in ev on a
> $5 bet is more than made up for in the
> aggressive spreading that will surely come.
> The cover playing this way can be so great!

> You see, Bootlegger, when faced with unusual
> circumstances you must come up with unusual
> strategy to counter the house.

> I really hope you're new book will have
> something new to say to help the newbies
> have a chance against the 6 and more deck
> games. If not I fear you may do damage by
> misleading people into thinking they can
> beat these games and thus fatten the casino
> bottom line.

[Parker]

> In this situation you are dealt down to
> around 10 cards, time and time again, so it
> is most important to KNOW the value of all
> cards dealt to that point so you can make
> those outstanding moves near the end of the
> slipper.

> As for the needs of cover plays they really
> don't apply in my case as I am a well known
> counter with my picture displayed in all the
> casino security rooms in my region.

> I am allowed to play in most, but not all,
> casinos because I behave myself, and, I must
> admit, have a real skill for making friends
> and influencing people.

Not knowing the value of the occasional hole card that you do not see costs you practically nothing. As I mentioned above, we used to play this type of game and count it effectively, and we certainly did it without ridiculous deviations from basic strategy.

The casino lets you play because you are playing like an idiot.

If you continue to post nonsense like this on the board without any sort of numbers or sims to back it up, I shall be forced to take corrective action.

[Ouchez]

> That Sonja has invaded this board???

Count,

That is an insult, and I have always thought you were a pretty nice guy.

What is the problem with the "predator System" as I have explained it?

I am beginning to think that those players that never experience such unusual playing conditions may not have the ability to grasp that there is unusual problems created that need advanced tactics to take full advantage.

Give me a little credit Count.

There are many people here that not only know me but that have played Bj with me.

[Ouchez]

> Not knowing the value of the occasional hole
> card that you do not see costs you
> practically nothing. As I mentioned above,
> we used to play this type of game and count
> it effectively, and we certainly did it
> without ridiculous deviations from basic
> strategy.

> The casino lets you play because you are
> playing like an idiot.

> If you continue to post nonsense like this
> on the board without any sort of numbers or
> sims to back it up, I shall be forced to
> take corrective action.

In a heads up game dealt almost to the bottom you can easily miss the value of 10 cards or more per slipper.

Thus when you get to that juicey bottom and really put the heat on you can be badly hurt by those 20 you did not see!

Why worry about a $5 bet? I would rather be accurate on a $100 bet!

If you think I am a danger to this board for simply bouncing ideas off the readers for their serious input than just go ahead and pull my posting priveledge right now.

If you were able to play a dd game dealt to the bottom, with s-17, surrender, and no heat you may start to run into situations that call for some creative thoughts.

But I guess they are not welcome here!

[Milk Man]

You guys are correct. All I play usually is six deck and I have been beating it a long time. If you do write books. Please do not have it be the same old stuff spun a different way. The last cutting edge book I read was from Richard Harvey it was as useful as toilet paper to me. I found Jerry Patterson's A Winners Handbook a lot more interesting eventhough I knew he was full of shit.

[Parker]

Creative thinking is welcome on these boards.

Bullshit is not.

If you suggest something that flies in the face of everything that is known about the mathmatics of the game, be prepared to produce some sims or math to back up your theory.

Otherwise, it is just . . .

Here is some creative thinking for you: In this situation, simply play two hands. You are not giving up anything in EV, yet you are cutting the number of cards you will not see nearly in half.

[bond trader]

> Yes, they are pro's, with great skillz and
> huge bankroll, a unique combination and a
> rare one.

Ouchez, your system sounds similar to one I read about a while ago called the "JaKal" system, which also is designed for DD games. Is it something you have heard of before? I believe it was also designed for some of the quirks of Indian casinos.

Regards,

BT

[Wildcard]

> The casino lets you play because you are
> playing like an idiot.

Parker's Policies

2. I anticipate a polite discussion. Disagreements are fine, personal attacks and name calling are not. Offensive posts will be deleted.

6. Any forum is only as good as the participants are willing to make it. Suggestions, comments, and constructive criticism are most welcome and appreciated.

I have and continue to enjoy the information shared on this site. It is indeed enlightening to be able (within limits) to post things seeking knowledge and sharing ideas and experiences to the betterment of all. However, I will speak up when I feel something is wrong.

I personally don't understand, nor have I taken the time to understand or evaluate the content of Ouchez's posts...simply doesn't interest me.

I do find it somewhat offensive that you (Parker) feel it necessary to refer to his playing like an idiot. Not only does it clearly violate your policies (noted above), it is beneath the dignity of this board and those who attempt to contribute and learn from one another.

We may not all have the vast casino experiences you have, but when a new idea comes along, you need not crush it like some bug. If the poster's ideas are suspect and so irritating, why not contact him via private email with a caveat that continued postings will be deleted. Do you find it necessary to embarrass or humiliate the poster in public because you can, or because it's your site?

I have immense regard and respect for your knowledge and the effort it takes to maintain normalcy on this board...we have discussed this privately. Now that you openly called a poster an idiot, I elect to present my feelings in an open forum as well. You are not King Parker, and heavy handed tactics will not enhance one's willingness to continue to participate here, no matter how insane the gaming topic.

Bust what you think you must, but have the common courtesy to not humiliate in public. See a trend?

If you can, please explain how your comments to Ouchez do not violate your established policies, within which you hold our feet closely to the fire. Or, will you delete this as well?

Regards,
Wildcard

[Viktor Nacht]

There are two things done on this forum that are not done on certain other forums:

1. We call them as we see them, and we do our best to educate way-ward players. If you follow the thread, you'll see first where Bootlegger and others try to more gently convince the poster he may be incorrect. Parker than tries a little bit harder and points out that this "system," as described, is idiotic. And it is. There was no name-calling, just frank honesty about the porposed system in the absence of any supporting mathematics.

2. We demand proof for wild claims. If you ("everyposter") think you know something undiscovered by decades of research, you have to provide conclusive evidence. The litmus test for a fraud is a simple and easy one: Prove it. And they never do.

You, on the other hand, are a much valued member of the community and I appreciate your criticism, but man, you're starting to sound a lot like Eliot Jacobson.

Good Cards,

V

[Milk Man]

Ouchez, I do not know or play with you but sometimes you have an interesting point of view. The sadness I think is the people criticizing you do not understand what you are saying. They may rely on sims instead of sitautions. If they want mathematical proofs then provide them. But my question to you is where in the hell are you finding casinos dealing down to the last 10 cards?
Even SD in Vegas lacks the balls to do that. Do not name a casino but maybe a state. I would like to check it out.

[Wildcard]

> There are two things done on this forum that
> are not done on certain other forums:

> 1. We call them as we see them, and we do
> our best to educate way-ward players. If you
> follow the thread, you'll see first where
> Bootlegger and others try to more gently
> convince the poster he may be incorrect.
> Parker than tries a little bit harder and
> points out that this "system," as
> described, is idiotic. And it is. There was
> no name-calling, just frank honesty about
> the porposed system in the absence of any
> supporting mathematics.

No, what Parker said was "The casino lets you play because you are playing like an idiot".

Parker does not describe his play as idiotic...there is a difference. Clearly name-calling, no?

> 2. We demand proof for wild claims. If you
> ("everyposter") think you know
> something undiscovered by decades of
> research, you have to provide conclusive
> evidence. The litmus test for a fraud is a
> simple and easy one: Prove it. And they
> never do.

> You, on the other hand, are a much valued
> member of the community and I appreciate
> your criticism, but man, you're starting to
> sound a lot like Eliot Jacobson.

Well man, I certainly don't won't to be thought of as having an Eliot Jacobson persona. I do take umbrage at not honoring established rules. If we can have no discourse to clear the air, and you stand by your statement then perhaps it is better we part company.

Please advise via email when my Don's Domain Forum membership expires. Perhaps better I not renew.

Thanks for your time to post. I've enjoyed my time here and have learned much. Continued success with your site and future endeavors.

Regards,
Wildcard

> Good Cards,

> V

[K-O Joe]

I realy like & respect Parker, but I have to agree with Wildcard. That statement Parker made hit me a little hard also.

Wildcard, I have learned alot from your post, and hope you do stick around. If not I am sure I will see some of your post at the other sites.

Aces & Faces to Ya! K-O Joe

> No, what Parker said was "The casino
> lets you play because you are playing like
> an idiot". Parker does not describe
> his play as idiotic...there is a difference.
> Clearly name-calling, no?

> Well man, I certainly don't won't to be
> thought of as having an Eliot Jacobson
> persona. I do take umbrage at not honoring
> established rules. If we can have no
> discourse to clear the air, and you stand by
> your statement then perhaps it is better we
> part company.

> Please advise via email when my Don's Domain
> Forum membership expires. Perhaps better I
> not renew.

> Thanks for your time to post. I've enjoyed
> my time here and have learned much.
> Continued success with your site and future
> endeavors.

> Regards,
> Wildcard