Ouchez: New attack method for DD game

[Ouchez]

I will name this method of play the...

"Predator System"

This approach should be used in the following game situation, a dd game with surrender, s-17, good "attributes", heads up, low table min., say $5.00, and the hole card remaining hidden if you bust before the dealer. The "Predator will also give good cover and confuse managment.

On the first round of the slipper you play 2 spots and play according to basic strategy.

After the first round if things are neutral or plus you remain at 2 spots and play according to hi-lo and indices.

When the count drops below neutral you move to one spot, this is when it gets interesting.

You now have min. bet, $5.00, you NEVER hit when you can bust because it is imperitive that you get to see that hole card! You also never surrender unless the dealer is showing a ten up and has to look to see if he has a BJ!

As soon as it goes positive you are back to two spots and playing the hi-lo advantage game with all that power afforded you. You should also be using an ace side count to really boost the H.P.!

This will eliminate the casino advantage from hiding the hole card when you bust first, which happens often while in heads up dd play, and ends the problem of having to play 2 spots all the time to have a better chance of not busting before the dealer draws, seeing the hole card, which means playing this way in negative counts, not good.

I wonder if I should approach Mr. scobee 1 to ghost write a book on this "Predator System" with sims, pictures, stories of actual play, etc.?

I also wonder if the "JaKal" method could be included in this book if royalties were paid to that author, (since that book is out of print)?

[Parker]

Why is it so important to know the value of the dealer's hole card? It is only one card. And why only in negative counts?

A San Diego casino used to deal in this manner, known as "blind pitch." They stopped when they realized that it did not deter counters, and posed possible security problems.

If you do not see the dealer's hole card at the end of the round, it is just another unseen card. Effective penetration is not as good as it appears to be, and you could make a small adjustment in your true count conversion.

By not hitting stiffs, such as 12 vs 7-A, you are giving up a huge amount of EV. I do not see how having a slightly more accurate count can possibly compensate for this.

Have you done any sims to see if you are actually gaining anything at all?

[Milk Man]

I do not believe in cover play. I only get hassled at one casino here in Minnesota. I limit how often I play there and what I do when I am there.

I think if you need cover play you are way too obvious. Cover play does not deter or keep the house from suspecting you as a counter. The hacker used to do cover plays and he still got bounced. If you do not want to be suspected best thing to do is to not stick around like a bad penny.

If you know the dealer by name and they know your name you are already in trouble. You have to chase the devaition dog around the room better than that.

[Ouchez]

> Why is it so important to know the value of
> the dealer's hole card? It is only one card.
> And why only in negative counts?

> A San Diego casino used to deal in this
> manner, known as "blind pitch."
> They stopped when they realized that it did
> not deter counters, and posed possible
> security problems.

> If you do not see the dealer's hole card at
> the end of the round, it is just another
> unseen card. Effective penetration is not as
> good as it appears to be, and you could make
> a small adjustment in your true count
> conversion.

> By not hitting stiffs, such as 12 vs 7-A,
> you are giving up a huge amount of EV. I do
> not see how having a slightly more accurate
> count can possibly compensate for this.

> Have you done any sims to see if you are
> actually gaining anything at all?

In this situation you are dealt down to around 10 cards, time and time again, so it is most important to KNOW the value of all cards dealt to that point so you can make those outstanding moves near the end of the slipper.

As for the needs of cover plays they really don't apply in my case as I am a well known counter with my picture displayed in all the casino security rooms in my region.

I am allowed to play in most, but not all, casinos because I behave myself, and, I must admit, have a real skill for making friends and influencing people.

[Slowhand]

In all the casinos I have been to, the dealer flips over the hole card before gathering the cards from the table and putting them in the discard tray, even when the heads up player busts. I believe they do this for the eye. I have never seen the dealer sweep the hole card without flipping it over.
Good Luck
Slowhand

[Ouchez]

> In all the casinos I have been to, the
> dealer flips over the hole card before
> gathering the cards from the table and
> putting them in the discard tray, even when
> the heads up player busts. I believe they do
> this for the eye. I have never seen the
> dealer sweep the hole card without flipping
> it over.
> Good Luck
> Slowhand

It is done in places. I have seen it hundreds of times.

[Bootlegger]

> I am allowed to play in most, but not all,
> casinos because I behave myself, and, I must
> admit, have a real skill for making friends
> and influencing people.

Could it be that you are allowed to play because they don't see you as a threat? Certainly, if you use the style of play you described, you would not be a serious threat to them, although your bankroll may be in jeapordy.

[Bootlegger]

> In all the casinos I have been to, the
> dealer flips over the hole card before
> gathering the cards from the table and
> putting them in the discard tray, even when
> the heads up player busts. I believe they do
> this for the eye. I have never seen the
> dealer sweep the hole card without flipping
> it over.
> Good Luck
> Slowhand

There are some casinos, particularly Native American casinos, where this method is used. It has always struck me as odd, since the eye likes to see everything that happens at a table.

[Ouchez]

> Could it be that you are allowed to play
> because they don't see you as a threat?
> Certainly, if you use the style of play you
> described, you would not be a serious threat
> to them, although your bankroll may be in

> jeapordy.

Well I really can't be sure how they see me, as a threat or not. They keep an eye on me and I do behave, and as I said I cultivate friendships.

I never shove their face in it as that is a sure fire way to make an enemy. In those instances when I do hit them hard I keep it short and leave for several hours or even days. I am also a big tipper to the dealers that deserve it.

As far as a threat to my bank roll playing this way, I think not. The loss in ev on a $5 bet is more than made up for in the aggressive spreading that will surely come. The cover playing this way can be so great!

You see, Bootlegger, when faced with unusual circumstances you must come up with unusual strategy to counter the house.

I really hope you're new book will have something new to say to help the newbies have a chance against the 6 and more deck games. If not I fear you may do damage by misleading people into thinking they can beat these games and thus fatten the casino bottom line.

[Bootlegger]

> Well I really can't be sure how they see me,
> as a threat or not. They keep an eye on me
> and I do behave, and as I said I cultivate
> friendships.

> I never shove their face in it as that is a
> sure fire way to make an enemy. In those
> instances when I do hit them hard I keep it
> short and leave for several hours or even
> days. I am also a big tipper to the dealers
> that deserve it.

> As far as a threat to my bank roll playing
> this way, I think not. The loss in ev on a
> $5 bet is more than made up for in the
> aggressive spreading that will surely come.
> The cover playing this way can be so great!

> You see, Bootlegger, when faced with unusual
> circumstances you must come up with unusual
> strategy to counter the house.

> I really hope you're new book will have
> something new to say to help the newbies
> have a chance against the 6 and more deck
> games. If not I fear you may do damage by
> misleading people into thinking they can
> beat these games and thus fatten the casino
> bottom line.

Six deck games can be beaten, and my book will discuss ways of doing this. There are pros who won't play handheld games and make most of their money on six deckers.

[Ouchez]

> Six deck games can be beaten, and my book
> will discuss ways of doing this. There are
> pros who won't play handheld games and make
> most of their money on six deckers.

Yes, they are pro's, with great skillz and huge bankroll, a unique combination and a rare one.

[Bootlegger]

> Yes, they are pro's, with great skillz and
> huge bankroll, a unique combination and a
> rare one.

My book will describe ways of playing six-deckers with a bankroll of less than 400 units that can earn well at a 5% risk of ruin. You have to think outside the box.

[Ouchez]

> My book will describe ways of playing
> six-deckers with a bankroll of less than 400
> units that can earn well at a 5% risk of
> ruin. You have to think outside the box.

Hold on there big fella!!!

When it comes to "thinking outside the box", I am THE man!

BTW, when I get down to bidness you won't find me bowlin, singin, or playin the getar! ^-^

OK, I have been known to be a wicked Karaoke crooner.