Eric: Basic Strategy changes

[Eric]

Whats the best free program for basic strategy changes when the count is high?

[Parker]

> Whats the best free program for basic strategy changes
> when the count is high?

So, while you're willing to risk a considerable sum playing blackjack, you're unwilling to invest anything in books or software to learn how to intelligently do it.

Is that what you're saying?

[Eric]

> So, while you're willing to risk a considerable sum
> playing blackjack, you're unwilling to invest anything
> in books or software to learn how to intelligently do
> it.

> Is that what you're saying?

No, its not what im saying.

[Don Schlesinger]

> Whats the best free program for basic strategy changes
> when the count is high?

What are you looking for? Index numbers for a card-counting system? Which one? Counter's Basic Strategy? Your question isn't very clear. What do you mean by "program"?

Don

[Eric]

> What are you looking for? Index numbers for a
> card-counting system? Which one? Counter's Basic
> Strategy? Your question isn't very clear. What do you
> mean by "program"?

> Don

It was Index numbers for hi low. The ones i'm wondering about is on a dealer hits soft 17 table. I have stand on 16 v. A at +3 you agree? Stand on 15 v. A at +5, you agree? 88 v. 10 and A do you always split if no surrender?

How does someone ever know whats the right amount to bet that the casino wont mind?

[Don Schlesinger]

> It was Index numbers for hi low. The ones i'm
> wondering about is on a dealer hits soft 17 table. I
> have stand on 16 v. A at +3 you agree? Stand on 15 v.
> A at +5, you agree?

Yes, so far.

> 88 v. 10 and A do you always split if no surrender?

No. You didn't mention if DAS was permitted. If so, split v. 10 if TC is LESS than +8. Split v. A, if TC >= -1.

If NDAS, split v. 10 if TC < +6. Use same index (-1) for A.

> How does someone ever know what's the right amount to
> bet that the casino won't mind?

You can't know. Keep reading all the sites for the reports, and when in doubt, err on the side of caution.

Don

[Eric]

> Yes, so far.

> No. You didn't mention if DAS was permitted. If so,
> split v. 10 if TC is LESS than +8. Split v. A, if TC
> >= -1.

> If NDAS, split v. 10 if TC You can't know. Keep
> reading all the sites for the reports, and when in
> doubt, err on the side of caution.

> Don

Would you play any of these games?

2 deck 25-199, 75% dealt out, no DAS, split up to four times, one card after splitting aces. Dealer hits soft 17?

Or 2 deck 50-1000, 75% dealt out, dealer hits soft 17, no DAS, late surrender, split up to four times, one card after splitting aces.

If so how long would you play or often? What would your max bet be? Do you ever wonder if they will ban you when your losing overall?

[jblaze]

> Would you play any of these games?

> 2 deck 25-199, 75% dealt out, no DAS, split up to four
> times, one card after splitting aces. Dealer hits soft
> 17?

> Or 2 deck 50-1000, 75% dealt out, dealer hits soft 17,
> no DAS, late surrender, split up to four times, one
> card after splitting aces.

> If so how long would you play or often? What would
> your max bet be? Do you ever wonder if they will ban
> you when your losing overall?

Figure out what the SCORE is for each - second game will have higher SCORE. The more you play and the higher your stakes, it becomes more a question of their tolerance for you.

If you have a whale of a gambling friend, you can basically just sit there and announce you're a card counter and play as long as you want. If you're a straight up card counter using no cover and it's a sweatshop - you better be out of there quick - a play it safe general rule I had for the ultimate sweatshops that you want to return to would be depart after a shoe is over once you've made your max bet.

There are other factors to consider besides just table rules and heat - for instance, are there other players there, is the dealer sloppy, slow, fast, a "checks play" announcer, etc.

YES, they will ban you when you're losing overall. They will ban you without ever seeing you play if it's a sister store. They will ban BS players, they will ban anyone they want for any reason.

[jblaze]

> Figure out what the SCORE is for each - second game
> will have higher SCORE. The more you play and the
> higher your stakes, it becomes more a question of
> their tolerance for you.

> If you have a whale of a gambling friend, you can
> basically just sit there and announce you're a card
> counter and play as long as you want. If you're a
> straight up card counter using no cover and it's a
> sweatshop - you better be out of there quick - a play
> it safe general rule I had for the ultimate sweatshops
> that you want to return to would be depart after a
> shoe is over once you've made your max bet.

> There are other factors to consider besides just table
> rules and heat - for instance, are there other players
> there, is the dealer sloppy, slow, fast, a
> "checks play" announcer, etc.

> YES, they will ban you when you're losing overall.
> They will ban you without ever seeing you play if it's
> a sister store. They will ban BS players, they will
> ban anyone they want for any reason.

Your max bet and win rate are very dependent on your comfortable risk of ruin, spread, ramping strategy and partly dependent on your counting system - systems with higher PE start doing better as deck number drops. A general rule I tell people that think you can just print money as a card counter starting with $100... is that take your bankroll and divide by 100, that's a decent starting point for your max bet. Divide that by 2-3 and that's probably your best hope for an hourly win rate in a good double deck game.