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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Re: Halves w/ace side count insurance


    Double the used Ace.

    PE is 0.65 with the Ace side count, assuming you use the adjusted indicies.

    I used to have the adjusted indicies in Casino Verite, but dropped them when Wong dropped them out of his book.




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    PunkEye
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    PunkEye: Re: Halves w/ace side count insurance

    > Hi. I have been using the Halves count on multiple
    > deck games.
    > Now I am wanting to play single deck and wondered
    > about the insurance efficiency if you use a side count
    > of aces with the Halves Count. I just read on this
    > site that the Hi-Lo count will go from 76% to 89%
    > correlation if using ace side count. How about the
    > halves count?
    > Also, I have heard varying opinion on whether you
    > should add double the used ace (as stated in
    > Professional Blackjack) or 1.5 X the used up aced when
    > making adjustments. Anyone want to help me on this.

    > I've considered switching over to Omega 2 or Hi Opt 2,
    > but I really like the BC of Halves and not having to
    > adjust for betting purposes. But I want to be able to
    > grind out with a 1-2 bet spread, and so I really need
    > great insurance & playing efficiency. I also
    > planned on learning the adjusted for aces playing
    > indices for single deck, although Wong says they are
    > not worth it in his newer edition?

    > Thanks for any help,

    > backcounter

    You will get everything you ask for if you'd would ditch Wong Halves in favor of VAPC.

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    backcounter
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    backcounter: Re: Halves w/ace side count insurance

    > You will get everything you ask for if you'd would
    > ditch Wong Halves in favor of VAPC.

    Well, I assume that stands for Victor APC. I used the Uston APC before switching to Halves a dozen years ago. For me it was useless on anything other than single-deck because the conversions were too difficult on multiple decks.
    I do not want another 13-point count!

    I love using Halves. I just want to get the most out of the playing and insurance efficiencies using the ace side count. If Hi lo goes from 76 to 89 with a side count, could I assume that Halves goes from 72 to about 85 IC, or about the same as Zen and Omega 2?

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    backcounter
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    backcounter: Re: Halves w/ace side count insurance

    > Well, I assume that stands for Victor APC. I used the
    > Uston APC before switching to Halves a dozen years
    > ago. For me it was useless on anything other than
    > single-deck because the conversions were too difficult
    > on multiple decks.
    > I do not want another 13-point count!

    > I love using Halves. I just want to get the most out
    > of the playing and insurance efficiencies using the
    > ace side count. If Hi lo goes from 76 to 89 with a
    > side count, could I assume that Halves goes from 72 to
    > about 85 IC, or about the same as Zen and Omega 2?

    Don Schlesinger,
    Howdy. I read I think it was in Blackjack Attack where you described Halves as the Cadillac of Counts. I got a situation where I really just want to play for mailers and whatnot and hope for a small earn on the single deck game betting either $50-$100 or $100-$200. The game may be 10-11 or 9,10,11 only Hs17. I would like to continue using the Halves count if I can get the IC up high enough using an ace side count. Do you happen to know what the correlation would be on the Halve's count with an ace sice count?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Halves w/ace side count insurance

    > Don Schlesinger,
    > Howdy. I read I think it was in Blackjack Attack where
    > you described Halves as the Cadillac of Counts.

    P. 168: "august, elegant, powerful." But "Cadillac of Counts" is not something I would say.

    > I got a situation where I really just want to play for
    > mailers and whatnot and hope for a small earn on the
    > single deck game betting either $50-$100 or $100-$200.
    > The game may be 10-11 or 9,10,11 only Hs17. I would
    > like to continue using the Halves count if I can get
    > the IC up high enough using an ace side count. Do you
    > happen to know what the correlation would be on the
    > Halves count with an ace side count?

    No, sorry. But, two things: Halves, which counts 9s as a negative value, is never going to do brilliantly in the IC department. Also, in SD, where strategy variations are considerably more valuable than in multi-deck, Halves is also at a disadvantage.

    Bottom line: with or without an ace side count, Halves is surely not the way to go, especially with such a small spread and in SD.

    Don

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    backcounter
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    backcounter: Re: Halves w/ace side count insurance

    > P. 168: "august, elegant, powerful." But
    > "Cadillac of Counts" is not something I
    > would say.

    > No, sorry. But, two things: Halves, which counts 9s as
    > a negative value, is never going to do brilliantly in
    > the IC department. Also, in SD, where strategy
    > variations are considerably more valuable than in
    > multi-deck, Halves is also at a disadvantage.

    > Bottom line: with or without an ace side count, Halves
    > is surely not the way to go, especially with such a
    > small spread and in SD.

    > Don
    Don,

    Thanks so much for your response. Sorry, I actually never remember reading the Halves Count being described as "The Cadillac of Counts". But on one of the BJ Forums I read someone say that you had said that in one of your writings, probably Blackjack Attack. I guess a court would call that hearsay and I do apologize. Looks like I need to learn Hi Opt 2 or Omega 2? I would think the Zen count with such a small edge, if any, would not be the best choice for a 1-2 single deck spread? And as I stated earlier, I just find the 13 point counts like Uston and Victor too taxing. Just curious which one you would choose for this situation?

    BC

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Halves w/ace side count insurance

    > Just curious which one you
    > would choose for this situation?

    The fewer the number of decks, and the smaller the spread, the more PE and strategy variations become important.

    So, I'd go with the Rolls-Royce (better than Cadillac!) of counts, which is Hi-Opt II, for this purpose.

    Don

    P.S. AOII is a very close second.

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    backcounter
    Guest

    backcounter: Re: Halves w/ace side count insurance

    > The fewer the number of decks, and the smaller the
    > spread, the more PE and strategy variations become
    > important.

    > So, I'd go with the Rolls-Royce (better than
    > Cadillac!) of counts, which is Hi-Opt II, for this
    > purpose.

    > Don

    > P.S. AOII is a very close second.
    Don,
    Thank you very much.
    BC

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    PunkEye
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    PunkEye: Re: Halves w/ace side count insurance

    > The fewer the number of decks, and the smaller the
    > spread, the more PE and strategy variations become
    > important.

    > So, I'd go with the Rolls-Royce (better than
    > Cadillac!) of counts, which is Hi-Opt II, for this
    > purpose.

    > Don

    > P.S. AOII is a very close second.

    Don,you neglected to mention the fact that Griffin utilized a side count of 8s and 9s to determine when it would be a benefit to double on 12. He figured it more useful than to try to raise the IC.

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