It may revitalize the city with jobs, for one, but not the kind of jobs a city should want. What we need to revitalize this country are more professional jobs, engineers, accountants, chemists, doctors, lawyers, etc., and the underlying accessibility to higher education to make it possible, not thousands of dealers and pit bosses. It's short sighted thinking for a long term problem.
It may revitalize the city with jobs, for one, but not the kind of jobs a city should want. What we need to revitalize this country are more professional jobs, engineers, accountants, chemists, doctors, lawyers, etc., and the underlying accessibility to higher education to make it possible, not thousands of dealers and pit bosses. It's short sighted thinking for a long term problem.
Legal casinos ONLY harm municipalities, not help. They are a blight ... that must be plundered, o merry men!
It may revitalize the city with jobs, for one, but not the kind of jobs a city should want. What we need to revitalize this country are more professional jobs, engineers, accountants, chemists, doctors, lawyers, etc., and the underlying accessibility to higher education to make it possible, not thousands of dealers and pit bosses. It's short sighted thinking for a long term problem.
There are decent men and women in the legal profession. Why must we always equate lawyers with the worst that come to our attention? Mahatma Gandhi was a lawyer, as were many others who helped further the cause of human rights and true social justice down through history. http://www.originalbuzz.info/index.p...wyers-history/
You need a mixture of jobs. Right now you ned to get people back to work.
But not a preponderance of dealers and pit bosses. If I were building an ideal society, I would not put such occupations at the top of the list. There is nothing wrong with an honest day's work, but I am not questioning how well these people do their jobs, but what their jobs in fact are. We need architects and ditch diggers, registered nurses and janitors, but I question the need for dealers and pit bosses, at least, in great quantities. Those of you who consider the casino industry to be the evil empire or more mildly, the bad guys, seem more than a little inconsistent if you now applaud the proliferation of casinos around the country. Is this a change of heart?
but I question the need for dealers and pit bosses,
Well go play the BJ machines if that is how you feel. No pit , no dealer only what you think is important.
We have expanded gambling coming in my state. One casino is hiring about a thousand new employees to fill the casinos need. There has been a ridiculous number of applicants. I am guessing most wouldn't qualify for the jobs you would prefer to see. Few of those are being made. I am just happy to see people finding good jobs rather than being perpetually on the dole due to the diminishing job market for them.
These are the times we live in. Chase industrial jobs away. Change our education system so more have the same opportunities and diminish the skill set of our grads but have more competing for the jobs that now find foreigners better educated and thereby better qualified. Fewer people going into the high paying tech jobs that will always be here. Law suits causing doctor shortages in the more litigious states. Every time they try to fix something they make it worse. I guess hope died a long time ago. Just be prepared for the worst.
Wait that was another thread wasn't it. Visualize more and better jobs. LOL
Well go play the BJ machines if that is how you feel. No pit , no dealer only what you think is important.
We have expanded gambling coming in my state. One casino is hiring about a thousand new employees to fill the casinos need. There has been a ridiculous number of applicants. I am guessing most wouldn't qualify for the jobs you would prefer to see. Few of those are being made. I am just happy to see people finding good jobs rather than being perpetually on the dole due to the diminishing job market for them.
These are the times we live in. Chase industrial jobs away. Change our education system so more have the same opportunities and diminish the skill set of our grads but have more competing for the jobs that now find foreigners better educated and thereby better qualified. Fewer people going into the high paying tech jobs that will always be here. Law suits causing doctor shortages in the more litigious states. Every time they try to fix something they make it worse. I guess hope died a long time ago. Just be prepared for the worst.
Wait that was another thread wasn't it. Visualize more and better jobs. LOL
One rationalization is as good as another. Personally, I am not ambivalent about casinos. As much as I have enjoyed playing blackjack, I would be happier if every last one of them went belly up. Society does not need those types of jobs, and there is no question in my mind that the casinos do more harm than the good that they are always touting-- jobs, entertainment, etc. If I did support the proliferation of casinos, I would consider myself no better than the casino owners themselves, who after all, cannot survive without the support of the public at large.
To argue for the jobs angle is like arguing for legal dog fighting, cock fighting, prostitution-- why not bring back gladiator matches to the death? Think of the tax revenues! Just what we need to advance civilization to the next glorious tier-- not!
I don't see other jobs coming to the DC region. We are heavy in government and military jobs and supporting private industry to same. They have been chasing out big business and they have been stifling start ups for as long as I can remember. Now they are going to cut the jobs that the region have been counting on as they supposedly try to trim the budget. It looks pretty definite the military jobs in the region will be hit hard but still unclear how the other government jobs will be affected. The only fresh jobs are these casino jobs. All of the unskilled government workers losing their jobs will need somewhere to go. No other types of jobs are being created by expanding businesses around here. Hopefully that will change. I am visualizing but the universe hasn't been on board yet.
Sorry, I like casinos. As do millions of people that want entertainment and distraction from their positions in life. And, I don't want to play video games. I want real casinos with real dealers.
I don't see other jobs coming to the DC region. We are heavy in government and military jobs and supporting private industry to same. They have been chasing out big business and they have been stifling start ups for as long as I can remember. Now they are going to cut the jobs that the region have been counting on as they supposedly try to trim the budget. It looks pretty definite the military jobs in the region will be hit hard but still unclear how the other government jobs will be affected. The only fresh jobs are these casino jobs. All of the unskilled government workers losing their jobs will need somewhere to go. No other types of jobs are being created by expanding businesses around here. Hopefully that will change. I am visualizing but the universe hasn't been on board yet.
I really don't know the state of jobs in Maryland, but it's hardly experienced a ripple here on the other side of the Potomac. We have had close to normal employment throughout this recession. I'm not saying no one, especially those at the lower end of the economic spectrum, are not suffering. Construction and the like were down for the longest time. I doubt it's much different on your side of the Potomac, at least, close to DC. Most everyone's job is connected in one way or the other to the Federal government, and they have not laid off anyone that I know of. In fact they're getting a pay raise I think I heard in the new bill. It has slowed down hiring, but we went through that throughout my career with the Feds. Better the government created some of those shovel ready jobs they talk about because the DC infrastructure (water, sewers, electric, bridges, etc.) is one of the worst and most antiquated in the country. DC is a Federal city, so they need to funnel some small part of those trillions into their reconstruction account. I hate to see the city where the President lives and the Congress convenes to be so utterly neglected.
Sorry, I like casinos. As do millions of people that want entertainment and distraction from their positions in life. And, I don't want to play video games. I want real casinos with real dealers.
Plus, you have a vested interest. I would not argue the desires of millions of people. Millions of people want fast food and hours upon hours in front of the boob tube, too. Heck, millions upon millions are walking around with a mouth full of disease; that's why dental insurance is prohibitively high. So, yes, you win the argument from what the masses want or are willing to allow. I think like cigarettes, there should be more education to warn people of the dangers, and I do not think the states should be encouraging either smoking or gambling.
Sorry, I like casinos. As do millions of people that want entertainment and distraction from their positions in life. And, I don't want to play video games. I want real casinos with real dealers.
I like casinos as well. I always thought it odd that members call them evil. Perhaps these members have crossed an ethical line i their AP pursuits and are trying to justify what these things to themselves. If so this never works. You may fool your conscious mind but I doubt it and your subconscious can't be conned by your conscious mind.
The casinos provide excitement and entertainment for a price that is not determined in advance. For many who are not treated well in their every day lives casinos allowed them to be treated like royalty. Of course today you are not treated as Kings and Queens as in the past but more like Counts or Earls heck maybe even the Court Jester. Everybody has a favorite distraction. we call most of them hobbies if we like people doing them. People who like to judge others for their choices use more judgemental terms like addiction or problem if they don't like someone's chosen distraction of choice. What is that sticking out of your eye Aslan?
Most everyone's job is connected in one way or the other to the Federal government, and they have not laid off anyone that I know of
We have faired well so far as well, but indications are big military cutbacks and across the board reductions. Unless everyone takes a pay cut, heads will roll. With a large military presence around DC and most people having jobs connected with the government in many other fashions our economy is in jeopardy if large cut backs occur. Of course I have seen definitions of cuts as increases that are less than planned so maybe everyone will get a smaller raise and they will call it cuts. This is usually what they call cuts so maybe the economy is safe around DC. There are still people that are grateful to get the casino jobs because they don't have a job.
As do I, as a form of entertainment, but at the same time, I don't believe they are a good thing for society in general, and should not be encouraged by the states, which should have the interest of the general citizenry first and foremost. Casinos represent a regressive form of tax on the poor. Those who are hurt most by casinos can afford it the least. Fine, that you are among the less than 1% who has found a way to actually beat the casinos. I have enjoyed that luxury as well. At the very least, I do not believe that states should have an interest in how casinos prosper, since it is the states that are charged with the oversight and policing of casinos.
Originally Posted by Tthree
Perhaps these members have crossed an ethical line
That's an insinuation I thought you were above.
Numerous APs on this and other forums have deplored the behavior and practices of casinos. It is comically called the evil empire, but not entirely in jest. You know what I am talking about. Unless you're blind, you know that thousands of people succumb to the campaign of seduction waged by the casinos and lose their life savings. Yes, people are individually responsible for their gambling, even those who become addicted, but I would not want to be the party that helped entice some ignorant ploppy (who is still a human being, you know) to bet their entire future on any of these games that are much more rigged against them than many of them realize. It's entertainment perhaps for the educated, but there are few who are educated in the ways of casinos.
Originally Posted by Tthree
People who like to judge others for their choices use more judgemental terms like addiction or problem if they don't like someone's chosen distraction of choice. What is that sticking out of your eye Aslan?
Now who is judging? I have said nothing about what people choose to distract themselves with. My belief is that it is not good for society in general, at least not the way it is presently run. Do you deny that gambling addiction exists? That is only one of the evils that casinos capitalize on. I doubt that most the people who lose their life savings in casinos are necessarily addicts. They just mistakenly thought the games were fairer than they actually are, or that they had a system that would level the playing field. Casinos after all do capitalize on the ignorance of the ploppies who play there.
But maybe the worst part of casinos is what I said before, they represent a regressive tax on the poor. That, my friend, is not helpful to the society at large. Authorities do not believe that the poor should pay much if any tax, yet in this instance, they seem to be blind to the fact that it does the same thing.
You can argue all the free will and personal responsibility you want; all I can point to is what actually happens because of casinos that would not happen without them.
We have faired well so far as well, but indications are big military cutbacks and across the board reductions. Unless everyone takes a pay cut, heads will roll. With a large military presence around DC and most people having jobs connected with the government in many other fashions our economy is in jeopardy if large cut backs occur. Of course I have seen definitions of cuts as increases that are less than planned so maybe everyone will get a smaller raise and they will call it cuts. This is usually what they call cuts so maybe the economy is safe around DC. There are still people that are grateful to get the casino jobs because they don't have a job.
I will concede that people will be grateful to get a job. It probably will not be a casino job. People will leave other jobs to work at the casino, or retire from government to take on jobs like pit bosses and floor supervisors. But, sure, unemployed people can take the jobs that the casino workers left. Personally, I would not work for a casino since I do not want to be part of the ills they help create for society. In Vegas, the main thing casinos did when the downturn began was to lay off 15% of their work force, with more to follow later.
The casino business can only prosper and create more jobs if more and more people lose more and more money. That does not seem like a good thing for DC to encourage. The poor will get poorer, the ignorant will lose more than they can afford, the intelligent will not lose enough to be consequential, and the rich will get richer. Onward and upward!
We have faired well so far as well, but indications are big military cutbacks and across the board reductions. Unless everyone takes a pay cut, heads will roll. With a large military presence around DC and most people having jobs connected with the government in many other fashions our economy is in jeopardy if large cut backs occur.
Surely if such a disaster occurs you do not think a casino will be even a drop in the bucket, do you? Anyway, you have to weigh the ills created by casinos with the benefits they provide. I come down on one side, and apparently you come down on the other side.
I guess we should close the businesses that cause ills. No bars or liquor stores, no cigar or tabaco shops, no carnivals, no sporting good stores or stadiums or sports events, no pool halls, no arcades, no coffee shops etc.
I guess we should close the businesses that cause ills. No bars or liquor stores, no cigar or tabaco shops, no carnivals, no sporting good stores or stadiums or sports events, no pool halls, no arcades, no coffee shops etc.
Attachment 516Well, they did ban gladiator fighting to the death, and that was a very popular form of mass entertainment. Also, they banned cock fighting and dog fighting.
Cigarettes? They should have banned them years ago. This is a business that deals in mass death. If the effects of cigarette smoking was in days instead of decades, I have no doubt they would have been banned long ago. You tell me why the state continues to allow the tobacco companies to do business.
If gambling had the education and support systems in place as we do for alcohol abuse, I might not object to casinos as much. Instead, the state encourages gambling under the banner of tax dollars for education and other good causes. Gambling should be legal in the privacy of your home, so long as you don't run it as a business. Maybe even in private clubs, but not as a business. I wonder if it would work for a private club like the Elks to charge an admittance fee and set all their games to even money/no house advantage? haha They could cover their necessary costs, and their members would have an even chance. I don't know how much of the ill effects of gambling that would eliminate though.
Pool halls-- I don't know about banning them, but I will tell you this, if the police had put a tail on everyone who frequented the pool room I grew up in, they would have eliminated 90% of the crime in the Washington Metropolitan area, and maybe Baltimore. They would also have made serious inroads into crime from New York to Miami, to Chicago, to San Francisco. But criminals are going to congregate somewhere-- better a place you known where you can find them than a place you don't know-- if the police were that smart. They weren't then-- I wonder if they are now?
The bennies of most of the things you mentioned seem to far outweigh the ills IMO, all things considered.
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