Book Recommendation

**seriousplayer** · 04-25-2015, 10:56 AM

Have anybody read or recommend the book Advance Advantage Play by Eliot Jacobson? It seem like that book is written for casino personnel.

**Shadowless** · 04-25-2015, 04:26 PM

Based on the table of contents, the book isn't useful to me since I'm not interested in other games or side bets, though I might add the book to my collection one day.

It shows ways to beat a bunch of different side bets for blackjack and baccarat that aren't found in many casinos. I already have Arnold Synder's Big Book of Blackjack, which shows how to beat the most popular side bets for blackjack. I don't think learning ways to beat side bets are worth it if you're already an adept counter. If you were to play with a partner who counts the side bet only, it might be worth doing, but would look suspicious if one person is just sitting there watching the cards while you play.

I have his other book, The Blackjack Zone, and it's not too informative or useful, and I didn't like the way it was written or divided up. Was not worth its price in my opinion.

**Bodarc** · 04-25-2015, 05:00 PM

I bought the book. There is a small section near the front that has interesting information but as been pointed out, most of the book concerns side bets which are not available where I normally play. I bought it for one section related to a carnival game and I have no doubt the book will more than pay for itself in one sitting IF I ever find the game I am looking for. As with all books, I have found you find a little in one book and a little in another book and pretty soon it starts to build on your abilities if you mix it with a lot of practice and keep your eyes and ears open for new opportunities.

**seriousplayer** · 04-26-2015, 05:01 PM

Look at the review from the book:

“Get a real job and stop being the brown nose ass kissing teacher’s pet to the casino.” – Jet

That is so true!!!

**Bodarc** · 04-26-2015, 05:13 PM

I really don't understand the animosity directed at him. Stanford Wong, Arnold Snyder, James Grosjean and many others have written books exposing AP techniques. They get elected into the BJ Hall of Fame and Jacobson gets sent to the fires of hell. If a casino is so stupid that someone exposes HC or Turning in a book and they can't figure out how to prevent it, we have nothing to worry about.

**seriousplayer** · 04-26-2015, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Bodarc

I really don't understand the animosity directed at him. Stanford Wong, Arnold Snyder, James Grosjean and many others have written books exposing AP techniques. They get elected into the BJ Hall of Fame and Jacobson gets sent to the fires of hell. If a casino is so stupid that someone exposes HC or Turning in a book and they can't figure out how to prevent it, we have nothing to worry about.

I think Stanford Wong got sent to Blackjack Hall of Fame because he was the first to popularized the strategy known as "Wonging". Arnold Snyder got sent to the Blackjack Hall of Fame because he was the first to invent the strongest professional-level card counting system ever devised for its level of simplicity and ease of use. James Grojean got sent to the Hall of Fame because he successfully sue casinos and the Las Vegas Nevada Griffin Investigation.I might be wrong regarding the reason why those expert APs got inducted into the Blackjack Hall of Fame. But I never heard or seen anybody got inducted into the Blackjack Hall of Fame because the are at the casino's side.

**Bodarc** · 04-26-2015, 07:31 PM

Google Max Rubin

**seriousplayer** · 04-26-2015, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Bodarc

Google Max Rubin

I though the reason why Max Rubin got inducted into the Blackjack Hall of Fame is because he is known to optimized casino comps and media reporting for casino events.

**seriousplayer** · 04-29-2015, 09:32 AM

I don't like the author when I was reading some of his books. In one book Blackjack Zone he claim to be a full time card counter in blackjack. Then he claim that card count in today's blackjack is worthless. See that is very inauthentic to say card counting is worthless and he is doing it full time. It is very hard to prove something is worthless when he's continue to do it knowing that is worthless.

**Pokerplayer** · 04-29-2015, 03:22 PM

Serious player, If I remember correctly he used to count professionally(or semi professionally) and decided to stop after a scary back rooming. He has an interview on an old GWAE show and it shouldn't be too hard to find.

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**seriousplayer** · 04-29-2015, 05:06 PM

I do acknowledge and give him credit for talking about good info on inventing casino games and selling it to casinos but him talking about advantage play and consulting casinos that give AP's all of grief.

**Stealth** · 04-30-2015, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by seriousplayer

Have anybody read or recommend the book Advance Advantage Play by Eliot Jacobson? It seem like that book is written for casino personnel.

Eliot is a consultant for the casino industry and these studies are done to identify exposures. Nonetheless I believe his book is a regurgitation of studies he has done over time. It is a reference manual (actually a pretty good one). Don't believe his primary motive is to help the advantage player.

**Aslan** · 04-30-2015, 07:54 PM

No one who works in earnest for the casinos can be a friend of the AP community. I don't care how many PhD.s he has, or how nice a guy he is, he is just another bozo who has found the money better on the side of the casinos. I will clean toilets before I sell whatever AP knowledge I have to the casinos.