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    Precision Blackjack? Any one with thoughts on this stuff?

    Would really be interested in Norm's take. This may just be clumping voodoo all over again. But wondered if anyone else had any thoughts or views on it. And since it's about non-random cards, that they will end up being alternating hi/lo cards per casino procedures, figured it went here initially anyway. LOL

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    Arnold Snyder has some pretty good articles debunking the revival of the clumping voodoo that's based on the non-randomness of casino shuffles. Basically if the dealer even tries to do a riffle, no matter how bad it is, it will wipe out any advantage gained from non-random shuffles. If the dealer dealt one round per 6 deck shoe and did perfect riffles, I'm sure you would be able to predict alternating hi/lo clumps. However with the fact that low cards may not consistently clump together, and any clumping might be destroyed by even a sloppy riffle, I think you found the right place to post this.

    I don't know about you, but I prefer it when threads are dragged down here and the author tries to defend from the onslaught of APer's raining down on their parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJGolf View Post
    Would really be interested in Norm's take. This may just be clumping voodoo all over again. But wondered if anyone else had any thoughts or views on it. And since it's about non-random cards, that they will end up being alternating hi/lo cards per casino procedures, figured it went here initially anyway. LOL
    Lot's of thoughts, none of them good.

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    Besides, doesn't work in no-smoking casinos.
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    Remember reading that thread, Norm. Didn't know it was same book...........LOL Another reason to have a sarcasm "smilie"?

    In any event, thanks for reinforcing that clumping is bs. Guess from when I first read this "concept" from Patterson on, there is some still "small" part of my brain that thinks it takes awhile for a 6 deck, new card shoe, to be intermingled enough to work for counting. At least I continue to play counting methods and means. It just frosts me (maybe an explanation for variance) when the dealer pulls 4 "5's" in a row to kill me or you push several times in a row with 20's each and it appears that cards were clumped and find out they were new decks just introduced. I do know that Wong stated unshuffled cards actually favored the player by a very small margin in PBJ. Oh well...........back to practicing "tried and true" means.
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    PBJ was written by a student of T.A.R.G.E.T. Same junk science behind it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    PBJ was written by a student of T.A.R.G.E.T. Same junk science behind it though.
    That makes PERFECT sense now, then. I know you said that Patterson once was respected until the TARGET debacle. I'm sad to admit I bought that system in the late 80's or early 90's when it came out. Maybe I should be happy that the ex-wife kept it with everything else she got from our marital estate back then...........LOL That was when I first got interested in truly trying to learn counting as an avocation. Was a subscriber to Blackjack Forum from Snyder; read Patterson's books. Even attended Patrick's stuff; was on one of his cable shows. Thank God I have come a long way since then. Just didn't know what was up or actually accurate. Bought it all and tried to study it en masse.
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