Rookie, looking for some guidance

**BigJer** · 03-26-2015, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Nikky_Flash

wow big jer - did u type all that out just now?

No it was from a thread I posted.

http://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sho...mprove-my-game

**stopgambling** · 03-26-2015, 07:47 PM

You don't need to be that fast but at least 30 secs /deck. remember ,you control the speed . You just need to be accurate and control your own tempo. Have a proper bankroll and a win rate that can cover expenses and still profit a bit. DON'T GET THROWN OUT IF YOU ARE DOING IT FOR RECREATION. The stress and heat is not worth it. I am experiencing heat for peanuts and it is not worth it.

**ZenKinG** · 03-27-2015, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by centera

Greetings,

Recently read a couple books , practiced a little , got Blackjack Verite, and excited by all the stories.
However, I'm a very rookie player, full time job, and not much time left for practice.
I go to the casino , and if I make 300$ I leave, about once a week, maybe twice on the weekend.

I read a post by Al Mucuos about the "lifestyle" of advantage player and it seems like it hit the bulls eye.
So I'm not looking for a Full time gig, take the house down, etc. It seems very stressful and not sure if the benefits outweighs the cost(mental and everything that comes with the "lifestyle").
But I understand to confidently go into a Casino , knowing the edge is on your side it takes a lot of practice.
All I'm looking for, is to still go maybe once a week, but when I'm there not to gamble. I'm not a fan of Luck, I'm a fan of math. I just want to go in and play still small bets, but at least know what I'm doing. Just take out the gambling part.

Problem is I was looking for people to practice with. I see posts about Moo's camp is coming up soon, and I will probably sign up, but never been on a camp, not sure what to expect. Being on a team I'd expect there's a level of "good" that might be expected and it might be preferable for someone looking for Full time.
Bottom line and my question is:

Are there people looking for "non-professional" practice. I mean to learn to be good and go in confidently in a casino, it takes a lot of practice, and if I practice in a Casino, it will cost me a lot of money. Are there groups, or "teams" that count cards part time, but where I can get the beginning level of practice?

and I have considered the response "You are lazy, that's not how it works. It is not fun, takes a lot of work and it's not easy"
I actually think it's fun, but not doing it by yourself. And all my friends that play often, gamble, aka. have a "strategy" that is shit.Or the other rest of them think beating the casino is impossible, dealers get fired if they loose money, they break your legs in the back room if you make money, etc.

Regardless of your edge from counting, you will still be considered gambling until you log thousands of hours

**mushin** · 03-27-2015, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by ZenKinG

Regardless of your edge from counting, you will still be considered gambling until you log thousands of hours

This makes no sense... An edge is an edge. The real question is... does one have enough of a bank roll to withstand the fluctuations for the losses when they have that edge.

Lets take a pure back counting approach and say that you never play in the negative and only bet when you have an edge. We'll say that edge is 1%. This means that no matter what you are going to come out ahead. Where people get confused is you never know how long that will take. This is exactly why casinos can exist. They know that have the bankroll to withstand the losses so they will get their 1% in time.

Cumulative hours played don't have anything at all to do with weather or not you are gambling. Weather or not you are "gambling" is strictly a factor of if you are playing with an edge or not. I think any losses when you have an edge are just part of standard deviation...

**muffdiver** · 03-28-2015, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by mushin

This makes no sense... An edge is an edge. The real question is... does one have enough of a bank roll to withstand the fluctuations for the losses when they have that edge.

Lets take a pure back counting approach and say that you never play in the negative and only bet when you have an edge. We'll say that edge is 1%. This means that no matter what you are going to come out ahead. Where people get confused is you never know how long that will take. This is exactly why casinos can exist. They know that have the bankroll to withstand the losses so they will get their 1% in time.

Cumulative hours played don't have anything at all to do with weather or not you are gambling. Weather or not you are "gambling" is strictly a factor of if you are playing with an edge or not. I think any losses when you have an edge are just part of standard deviation...

Pretty good post, mushin (except for the way you spelled "whether").

**mushin** · 03-28-2015, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by muffdiver

Pretty good post, mushin (except for the way you spelled "whether").

I'll take knowing "whether" or not I am gambling over perfect spelling any day. lol

**muffdiver** · 03-28-2015, 07:28 AM

Ha ha. Good choice!

**Three** · 03-30-2015, 04:42 PM

It is called gambling with an edge. I think that tells you whether or not you are gambling. What say you Richard? For you to make the long run you need to play an enormous amount of time to get the hands in to expect to be approaching expectation. The casino is like a team doing it all at once. How big is the team? Count the number of gamblers in the casino. The casino is like a team member playing against each one.