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    Now 1 to 10 , how bad is it to use one of the chip stacks to keep the Hi/Lo count?
    I'm still learning, and play low bets, so not worried about being noticed. However, at what point should I stop.

    I just keep one stack with the count at the end of every hand dealt. In case I loose the count, I go over the table and I knew what the initial count was.
    I should probably stop

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    Follow up, please, on point 3. The suggestion we go to the table with chips rather than buying in......

    Are you suggesting that, if possible, we avoid cash buy-ins all together? Do you go to your pockets for more chips if necessary, or use cash?

    Also, your thoughts about "stashing" chips (to reduce apparent wins or create "losses")? Do you believe in stashing chips during play when winning ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by centera View Post
    Now 1 to 10 , how bad is it to use one of the chip stacks to keep the Hi/Lo count?
    I'm still learning, and play low bets, so not worried about being noticed. However, at what point should I stop.

    I just keep one stack with the count at the end of every hand dealt. In case I loose the count, I go over the table and I knew what the initial count was.
    I should probably stop
    Stop by all means doing that.... for a few reasons... but first let me say that early on I considered that idea too. Here is what I decided... most people don't slowly build a chip stack up one hand at a time while playing so it will look odd. Second it would not take much "figuring" out if the stack goes up and down. Third.... it is a crutch that will just make you get lazy while counting. It is far better to practice to the point that you can remember the count but if you need a crutch to help you remember then do something that is not physical. Word association is a good method. Count is +6 so think "6ft under".. count is +18.... now shes "legal."

    By all means though I don't advise doing anything physical that would stand out because you never know when they may be looking at the table.... heck they may not even be looking at the table because they suspect you but low and behold "What is that person doing with their chips.... they keep adding or subtracting from that stack.. hmm lets rewind... hmmm... it goes up and down every hand... the bigger the stack the bigger hit bet.... hmmm. Ring Ring..... Tap Tap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centera View Post
    In case I loose the count, I go over the table and I knew what the initial count was.
    I should probably stop
    If you lose the count you should be able to get a very good idea as to what the TC is from your last wager, right? Sounds like table practice with a friend is necessary. Are you playing a shoe or hand held game?
    Last edited by Orangechip2; 03-26-2015 at 04:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mushin View Post
    "What is that person doing with their chips.... they keep adding or subtracting from that stack.. hmm lets rewind... hmmm... it goes up and down every hand... the bigger the stack the bigger hit bet.... hmmm. Ring Ring..... Tap Tap.
    At a packed $5 table? C'mon man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangechip2 View Post
    At a packed $5 table? C'mon man.
    Just to clarify what I mean by a chip stack... I not talking about all his chips. I just had this vision of him building a tower.... +5 5 chip tower, +10 10 chip tower. Oh now its +8.... . Then I see him getting a hand crank drill bit out and drilling into the table then the count goes negative.... -16 .... oops... drilled through... should have wonged out by now huh.

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    I usually just bring my abacus.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    The only people in the casino that I see shuffling their chips at the table are usually poker players exclusively.
    This. The other tell (on a pitch game) is that they want to put two hands on the cards and barely slide them apart to see the indices.

    If I wanted to look like a hold-em player at someplace that didn't already know me, I might try this. I might also use shoe game hand signals and tuck a bust or natural once or twice while I was "getting the hang of it".

    I might even do that obnoxious thing where I slide the top card off the under card, then slide it underneath, repeatedly.
    May the cards fall in your favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centera View Post
    Now 1 to 10 , how bad is it to use one of the chip stacks to keep the Hi/Lo count?
    I'm still learning, and play low bets, so not worried about being noticed. However, at what point should I stop.
    Stop now. It might be considered "using a device", which may be unlawful in your jurisdiction.
    May the cards fall in your favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centera View Post
    I just keep one stack with the count at the end of every hand dealt. In case I loose the count, I go over the table and I knew what the initial count was.
    I should probably stop
    If you're still worried about "losing the count" during live play you shouldn't be playing in a real casino with real money yet.

    Learn to do it in your head until it becomes effortless. You'll thank your future self.

    Bottom line: More practice. You can do it!
    Last edited by Mickey; 03-26-2015 at 08:37 PM.

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    There are ways to use chips to track things without stacking the chips. You can use one chip to count or a set of individual chips. Think of the hour, minute and second hands on a clock. A tick can be 1/8th of a turn. If you can think in base 8 you are great.

    After the full rotation flip over the chip and then flip it back over for the last two ticks to make 10 ticks.
    Last edited by Three; 03-26-2015 at 09:20 PM.

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    Not bad , i always forget my plan when i go to the stores though. Every stores should have a different tactic. i hate the insurance bet.
    Last edited by stopgambling; 03-26-2015 at 09:33 PM.

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