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    Your Thoughts Please...

    I've been playing the game for around 4yrs..I have practiced and practiced ALOT..I usually win 9, 10, 11 sessions in a row and then have a couple of losing ones..My last session was very..very depressing..I mean, I lost 11 in a row on three separate tables, took breaks-used different systems, AND still got hammered..This was the worst losing session ever..Usually my losing sessions are like losing 6 or 5 in a row..tie then win 2 in a row..then lose again..But today..it was just lose..lose..and lose..!I could not detect any second dealing.. Any opinions-recommendations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottwilliam View Post
    I've been playing the game for around 4yrs..I have practiced and practiced ALOT..I usually win 9, 10, 11 sessions in a row and then have a couple of losing ones..My last session was very..very depressing..I mean, I lost 11 in a row on three separate tables, took breaks-used different systems, AND still got hammered..This was the worst losing session ever..Usually my losing sessions are like losing 6 or 5 in a row..tie then win 2 in a row..then lose again..But today..it was just lose..lose..and lose..!I could not detect any second dealing.. Any opinions-recommendations?
    That's how my last session was, I only won two double downs that I can recall and lost all of my other doubles. In fact the last hand I lost was a double down and that's when I got up from the table with the chips I didn't donate to the house feeling disgusted as I ended the beat down I received. I'm not discouraged though. The dealer was just getting pat hands or either out drawing my hand with every turn of the card, it was horrible.

    Somehow in my mind I would like to think that they seen me coming from out in the parking lot so they probably gave the word to switch the decks on me because the place was dead but in reality that more than likely did not happen. It was just the worst run of BJ hands that I've received in a long time. If I had to play that particular session over again I would have just played my winnings from the other table games I played on this trip prior to the losing BJ session. Only to go to a different casinos BJ table.
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    Human emotion at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottwilliam View Post
    Your Thoughts Please...
    I've been playing the game for around 4yrs..I have practiced and practiced ALOT..I usually win 9, 10, 11 sessions in a row and then have a couple of losing ones..My last session was very..very depressing..I mean, I lost 11 in a row on three separate tables, took breaks-used different systems, AND still got hammered..This was the worst losing session ever..Usually my losing sessions are like losing 6 or 5 in a row..tie then win 2 in a row..then lose again..But today..it was just lose..lose..and lose..!I could not detect any second dealing.. Any opinions-recommendations?
    To comment intelligently on your play we need more details. Are you a progression bettor or a counter. What is your spread. what rules and number of decks were you playing. Lots of things like that. I could comment without this info but it would be more about my experiences than what might be helpful to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    To comment intelligently on your play we need more details. Are you a progression bettor or a counter. What is your spread. what rules and number of decks were you playing. Lots of things like that. I could comment without this info but it would be more about my experiences than what might be helpful to you.
    To answer your question..Yes I am a counter, and I was playing on a 6 deck shoe DAS rules..I don't increase by bet until I win or tie..I tried halves, Zen, and the David Heath system on them..None of them worked..I increased my playing spots to TWO from ONE when the TC was above +1-and still got hammered..very depressing experience..not giving up-JUST BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD..

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    What happened to you is likely to be the normal fluctuations inherent in blackjack. Strap in and hang on, blackjack is like a rollercoaster ride with unbelieveably crazy ups and downs.

    Make sure you are playing good games, meaning deep enough penetration since you are playing a normal count game. Shallow pen games yield less EV with the same fluctuations.

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    From time to time we all just need some encouragement. Its not you or the system. The order of the cards can't be changed with a system, its just how it plays out. You will recoup your loses if you stay focused on your game.

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    You are probably not looking at your game properly. your max bets are your real bets and your end goal is your goal ,everything else is just the scenery. good/decent games are necessary as well as a proper bank/finance. There is a list of whole lot of other stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottwilliam View Post
    T..I don't increase by bet until I win or tie..
    this is nonsense...and why do you track # consecutive wins/losses???...it is meaningless...use that 'brainpower' for something worthwhile, like side count aces, learning more indices, etc


    GOOD LUCK!

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    Hi,
    I am confused by your use of the term "sessions" because, at times, you seem to be talking about ROUNDS or maybe HANDS ("Losing 6 or 5 in a row...tie then win 2 in a row") and, at other times, you seem to be talking about SESSIONS the way I would use it ("This was the worst losing session ever.")

    To me, a "session" is a period of play at one joint without significant breaks. A "round" is one complete play of cards at a table from dealing to payoff and might include multiple "hands" if you split or if you are playing multiple spots.

    At any rate, losing many hands, rounds or sessions in a row is completely normal with a game of chance such as blackjack. I suspect the laws of probability are NOT well understood by most card counters probably because they are simply NOT intuitive and are rarely explained in detail. A fair roulette wheel that has spewed out 11 red numbers in a row is NOT more likely to spew out a black or green number next. Every spin is an INDEPENDENT EVENT that has no relationship to the prior spin. A 50/50 red/black split will come about over the Long Run but not necessarily in the short term.

    Similarly, with blackjack, even though you're counting, you do not know what is coming out of a fair deck next. While there is some dependence in blackjack, there is still NO WAY to predict what cards will come out next unless you are lucky enough to be in a game with no burn cards and that is dealt to the last card. In that case, you can predict the LAST CARD ONLY.

    The idea that you shouldn't lose 11 rounds in a row in a fair game is short term thinking; it isn't true with games of chance.

    For me, a thorough understanding of N0 was the key to fully accepting that the Long Run requires about 20,000 rounds of proper advantage play in a game in order to have an 84% chance of NOT being behind overall. The results from any 1 session, several sessions or even hundreds of sessions are just grist for the Long Run Mill.

    That's why KJ has a tag that basically says he's just playing for EV. In other words, he's not sweating the short term outcomes. The math is the math.

    It's unlikely you're being cheated. It's much more likely you just hit a patch of bad variance. Check your skills, read up on N0 and go back and kick some casino butt!

    Best of Luck!
    SiMi
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottwilliam View Post
    I've been playing the game for around 4yrs..I have practiced and practiced ALOT..I usually win 9, 10, 11 sessions in a row and then have a couple of losing ones..My last session was very..very depressing..I mean, I lost 11 in a row on three separate tables, took breaks-used different systems, AND still got hammered..This was the worst losing session ever..Usually my losing sessions are like losing 6 or 5 in a row..tie then win 2 in a row..then lose again..But today..it was just lose..lose..and lose..!I could not detect any second dealing.. Any opinions-recommendations?
    First, just have faith and stick with one system. Going through 3+ systems on the same 6 deck game is silly.

    Second, learn about yourself. AP BJ is excellent at helping you learn how you react to wins and losses. This information is critical to determining if serious BJ is for you or not.

    Third, introspection will lead you into answering whether you are playing to earn money or you are addicted.

    Finally, read others experience. I am reading two books by Barfakel who started with a very small bankroll, and documented his progress as an AP. It is fascinating. It took him over a year to get his Bank Roll to $10,000. His second book is about his second year as a serious part time AP. It shows how frustrating it is. Sometimes it is 2,3 small wins and feeling great and then one session and all the past few session wins are lost. Sometimes, it is losses again and again. What happened to you is part of the game.

    There is a reason that many of the great AP's have quit to write books or get into other fields and I suspect most of the pros here are feeling it after 8-9 years, will quit or go part time in the future. Once upon a time, rules were easy to play, technology was not there to prevent an AP from success and it was fun developing acts and fooling pit guys. It has progressively become a more difficult game to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    First, just have faith and stick with one system. Going through 3+ systems on the same 6 deck game is silly.

    Second, learn about yourself. AP BJ is excellent at helping you learn how you react to wins and losses. This information is critical to determining if serious BJ is for you or not.

    Third, introspection will lead you into answering whether you are playing to earn money or you are addicted.

    Finally, read others experience. I am reading two books by Barfakel who started with a very small bankroll, and documented his progress as an AP. It is fascinating. It took him over a year to get his Bank Roll to $10,000. His second book is about his second year as a serious part time AP. It shows how frustrating it is. Sometimes it is 2,3 small wins and feeling great and then one session and all the past few session wins are lost. Sometimes, it is losses again and again. What happened to you is part of the game.

    There is a reason that many of the great AP's have quit to write books or get into other fields and I suspect most of the pros here are feeling it after 8-9 years, will quit or go part time in the future. Once upon a time, rules were easy to play, technology was not there to prevent an AP from success and it was fun developing acts and fooling pit guys. It has progressively become a more difficult game to beat.


    Thanks for the info guys. I apologize for not being specific enough about the 'session' (which involved many rounds). To clarify-I USED 1 system for several rounds-then used another system 4 several rounds, and then the last one for several rounds..AND ALL had dismal results...I'm not giving up..OH NO!! DEFINITELY NOT!! BUT...I will take some time away from the game-3 months or so..

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    awesome post zeebar

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