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    Beating The Lucky Ladies/ Any 20 4:1 side wager

    Any expert advice on betting the lucky ladies when the TC is positive (+2 or more)? I've been playing at a store that offers 4:1 for "any 20" and I want to occasionally play this "suckers bet" when the odds are in my favor opposed to playing it every hand like most ploppies for the "Lucky Ladies" (although that'd be nice). I base bet 10-15 and spread up to 150 on high TC's . About 80% pen is wht the deck is cut to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestTom View Post
    Any expert advice on betting the lucky ladies when the TC is positive (+2 or more)? I've been playing at a store that offers 4:1 for "any 20" and I want to occasionally play this "suckers bet" when the odds are in my favor opposed to playing it every hand like most ploppies for the "Lucky Ladies" (although that'd be nice). I base bet 10-15 and spread up to 150 on high TC's . About 80% pen is wht the deck is cut to.
    MidwestTom,

    Is the sidebet Lucky Ladies (with a 1000:1 payout for Qh-Qh vs. dealer BJ, 125:1 for Qh-Qh vs. other dealer hands, and other larger-than-4:1 payouts for matched 20's and suited 20's), or is it simply 4:1 for a pat 20? If it is simply 4:1 for 20, then you'll need a HiLo TC of +15 to make the SB +EV... good luck waiting for that! At that TC, you'll be dealt a pat 20 just over 20% of the rounds. To see details of this, see this post over at BJ21 Green Chip:

    http://www.bj21.com/greenchip/misc_b...l-total-vs-tc/

    On the other hand, if the SB is in fact Lucky Ladies, then the TC at which it becomes +EV depends on the actual paytable and the number of decks used in the game.

    Hope this helps!

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    I think Jacobsen's site has a good section on this. This is a case where an ace-neutral count is going to help you somewhat. Really, a tens vs. non-tens is most important for the bet, along with a side count of Qh.
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    Just be careful with AP Heat, Jacobson's site. Rumor has it the site tracks IP's and sells out AP's. No surprise there, with his history.
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    No offense, but lots of sites track your IP address for various reasons. But I'm dense. How is that address info going to serve any casino because I'm sure not bringing it with me to the casino and it's not tied to any specific name?
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    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the IP address just point to your ISP's local office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the IP address just point to your ISP's local office?
    Sort of.

    Most broadband internet access assigns IP addresses that are somewhat persistent - IP addresses that don't change for weeks or months at a time. IP addresses are easily tracked to ISP. With a reasonably competent inquiry ("we're investigating some abuse that associated with this address, can you get us a name/address?"), assume the ISP will be cooperative with the inquirer.

    Both private mode ( https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95464 ) and a free web proxy ( https://www.google.com/search?q=free+web+proxy ) can help, but in different ways. The web proxy will change your apparent IP address, the private mode will tend to make tracking your particular browser more difficult (cookies blocked, etc).

    So yes, "technically" all they know from your IP address is your ISP and probable geographic information, but usually much more can be inferred or otherwise learned.
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    So much for rumor. Why am I not surprised? So we are to believe the casino purchases the IPs. Then spends money paying people to con the providers into giving them your general location. Then try to match that to a list of players from the area spending more time and resources. And all they know is you visited Jacobsen's site not that you are an AP. I would be more worried that Jacobsen installs a cookie that harvests info on your computer use and sells that info to the casino. I don't think the proxies etc would help with that although you could clean your computer of cookies yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Then spends money paying people to con the providers into giving them your general location.
    It's not a lot of money, and it's a readily available service. http://www.ip2location.com/demo (Pricing: 20 lookups a day free/anonymous, 200 lookups a day free/not-anonymous, 100000 automated lookups for $49)

    You might want to punch in your IP address from http://www.whatismyip.com/ (or similar) and see how close they can figure out in 3 seconds, without any heavy leverage.
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    I play it and have won 15 grand on it. I bet a quarter if the true count is 6 or higher and play it for action at true +3 and sometimes off the top for a nickel because I'm a degenerate. I also play it if I see a waitress with big hooters. I adjust the true count to the lucky lady count, too. I obviously don't play it at all when there is only one or no queen of hearts left. I was thinking about playing two hands with a quarter on each Lucky Lady side bet when the count is sky high, but it might be too obvious.

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    To bet on it the TC must be at least 6.5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AP360 View Post
    Just be careful with AP Heat, Jacobson's site. Rumor has it the site tracks IP's and sells out AP's. No surprise there, with his history.
    Wouldn't surprise me given Jacobsen's moral fiber.
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