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    Playing With A professional at BlackJack And Craps

    Playing with a Professional and WINNING is better than playing alone and LOSING
    I just came back from Vegas. I haven been there in years. I was playing Black Jack and losing, well losing bad.I lost around 300 dollars.I played again and lost 200 this time, I was getting better, lol..So I decided to take a break and walk around a bit. As I walked around I noticed a crowd around one blackjack table , there was a guy playing.He was not only playing, he was winning. I watched and after he won alot,he stopped and got up to leave.So I followed him.He played again at a different table and won again and got up and left again.So I followed him again.He left the casino and went to another one, sat down and won again.This time I noticed the same guy was standing behind him all three times.They both went to a different table and the same man was standing behind him and he won again and left the table again..Each win was around 200 to 400 dollars.I was amazed and waited for a opportunity to talk to this man.When they were both alone together, He didnt want to talk in front of the other guy so he told me to meet him later.We met and he explained everything to me.That other man was his client and he was a professional blackjack and craps player.I told him I just lost 200 and wanted to win. I only had 2,000 to play with. So I gave him the 2,000 and he went to a blackjack table and won. We left and played at another table and won.I was starting to feel like that other guy behind him.After two wins he won 600 dollars total.So we split 300 apiece. He said he had to play with another client.I was so so excited.He told me to meet him the following day.We met and won twice more in blackjack.This time for around 500 total or 250 apiece.We were done for the day.So in 2 days I won 550 dollars and let a professional play for me.I met him the following day and he said he was also a professional in craps, so after winning 550 I said lets give it a try.So I gave him my 550 and my 2,000.We, I mean he played for 30 minutes and won 400 dollars.We left and played at another table and he won another 500 dollars.So I won another 450 total for that day.So in two days with him I won close to $ 1,000, not too shaby. The following day was my last day there.We, I mean he played blackjack and won 300 and then craps and won 300, so I won a total of 300 more and 1,250 for the three days.He explained he was playing money management ANDknows when to stop. and thats why the totals were around 300 to 500 per table.I just got back home and I plan on seeing him in early October.He just blew me away with his play.I just wanted to tell you about him and spread the word, he is legit,confident, honest, I had no problem giving him and trusting him with my 2,00 plus dollars..I would recommend him to anyone who wants to win at black jack or craps.Props to MARK G .he doesnt know im posting this but I figured I owed him that much.His email is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. My props to him. Playing with a trusted honest professioal like Mark G and winning is alot better than playing alone and LOSING.I can wait to go back in less than a month and see Mark g and WIN...My email is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thank you for allowing me to tell you about My Great Vegas Trip.
    Scott Howard
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    Mark Gigants is another scammer. Moved to Disadvantage Forum and spammer banned.
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    Lovely story... this made me cry a lot.
    Blackjack will test your soul, your character, and the very fiber of your being.
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    Steinbeck, Dostoevsky, Hemingway, John Patrick -- it's the classics that tear at your heart.
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    Norm, I laughed at the Patrick inclusion. Years ago when he had his show on CNBC in it's cable infancy, I watched it. I liked his attitude....maybe it was the east coast schtick. I called. Talked to him personally and some time later, when he was filming updated videos in Vegas for a show, my ex-father in law and I were asked to be audience members on his show. My father in law for craps; me for blackjack. By that time, I was really becoming interested in learning about BJ (it was my first forays into the game.......with another attorney who was comped always in Vegas). Of course he set us up. He asked me questions on roulette to show "how stupid" I was and my father in law about blackjack, which wasn't his game either. LOL I still remember reading one of his books called "Advanced Blackjack" and I had NO idea how anyone could keep that kind of count in a casino environment. So adding him to a "fiction" author list is appropo but it should be "pulp fiction" not classic fiction..........hahaha.
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    Good story. JP had a show on UHF in Philly in the early days of A.C. He treated everyone like an idiot. But, didn't matter what game he played, he always just repeated up-and-pull over and over. I remember him wearing this cheap blazer, trying to look like Hugh Hefner on Playboy after Dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Good story. JP had a show on UHF in Philly in the early days of A.C. He treated everyone like an idiot. But, didn't matter what game he played, he always just repeated up-and-pull over and over. I remember him wearing this cheap blazer, trying to look like Hugh Hefner on Playboy after Dark.
    When a salesman tries to talk to me like I'm an idiot, that's my cue that he doesn't know his product & is trying to cover up his incompetency.
    Same goes for John Patrick, ploppy author extraordinaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Good story. JP had a show on UHF in Philly in the early days of A.C. He treated everyone like an idiot. But, didn't matter what game he played, he always just repeated up-and-pull over and over. I remember him wearing this cheap blazer, trying to look like Hugh Hefner on Playboy after Dark.
    I forgot.......that's TRUE!! He always wore a blazer with a mock turtle or some other similar type shirt. And I remember that before I learned progressive betting didn't get you anywhere, he taught the "NY method".....it was called the "regressive" betting system, v. progressive. You remembered NY area code.....212 and bet two units on first bet. 1 on second (ergo regressive); if you won; then two on next (if you won) and then the up and pull each unit. I didn't think it was so bad compared to martingale, as he used to say that BJ was pretty much a 50/50 proposition. So if you won your first hand and lost the second; you were ahead. Versus increasing bet right away as in progression..............

    Thanks for memories Norm! This was a LONG long time ago but it was when I first was learning about playing BJ for comps. We were guests on his show. He was nice to us; just set us up for the video presentation since there was NO way he was going to ask either of us about any game we had ANY knowledge about. And I will always remember that he told me that he went to AC every day to play and that he shot for winning $200-$250 each time (net). That being a professional gambler was NOT as lucrative as everyone thought. That amount always stood out in my mind. I know it was an earlier time and economy, but the small amount of profit sought always made me think about how tough a game/life this might be.
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    I had the opportunity to play with a professional.

    A man sat down about mid shoe where I was playing. He struck up a conversation with another player and announced that he was a "professional blackjack player". The other player responded that he didn't understand that was a career option. The pro went on to explain it was all about money management and how you bet more when winning. The dealer and pit were amused and were trying not to smile.

    About the time he finished the explanation, the TC increased to 4, and the professional was betting table minimum.

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    Whoever comes to a BJ table and announces he is a professional BJ player means he's NOT!!

    I once was playing at a table with an older man and he was intently watching me play. Later on he said, "What system do you use? I'm a professional BJ player and I use a progression system."

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    “An amateur is someone who supports himself with outside jobs which enable him to paint. A professional is someone whose wife works to enable him to paint.”

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