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    Yes. Barred from every respected BJ site using many names.
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    Perhaps some of his software or maybe one of his books?

    And I'm not a book reviewer by any means, but the word "succinct" escapes him.
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    I'm donating copies to the casinos. According to his theory, blackjack pays 6:5 and blackjack pays 2:1 have the same house edge. So, they may as well pay 2:1 and fool all the suckers into thinking its better for them.
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    Not really trying to bump and old thread but this guy now is trying to push "new" blackjack games.



    I find his prose very, very obtuse and hard to understand his thought process. I think it's going to be hard to find players for his new bj games.

    In any event, he really has a "hard on" for Norm for various reasons. On another board (won't mention specifically), every post he has usually starts off with some slam at Norm. Oh well, to each his own. I originally thought he might be a math professor with some good knowledge when first stumbled across his site. But he seems to confuse "hold" with house edge. And he continually claims that bust percentage for the dealer is larger than other books and authorities state. And that you are better off being at third base, allowing more players to bust in front of you, to give dealer better shot of busting. IF I understand his prose.........which I'm saying is difficult.

    I guess, I'm just trying to see if there are any links or threads that take his math to task and discount those findings or formulas. I'm not even close mathematically to understand how to refute. You guys?
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    There were many, many threads in which he participated using numerous aliases at bj21, bjinfo and ap.com. But, these were on bj21's old free pages, which are gone, and many of the posts at the other sites were removed or are difficult to find because of the aliases. While those sites regularly banned his aliases, he was invited to post at ZZ. ZG helped him with SEO info to get his site higher in Google rankings for my name and also talked him into perjuring himself.
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    So can I justifiably, without having a math site or thread to "shoot his theory down", assume his math is "for the birds" at a minimum? Once you get past certain Algebra, I can't follow the math any longer. I need to take a gaming or statistics class with a gaming "bent". Anyone have any suggestions? Books that will explain basics more. (Yes I have BJAIII)
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    Now I know exactly who and what you're talking about. I looked at a few things he posted and had to ask, "So you recommend I forget everything I've ever studied and learned and start betting a martingale?"Hahahaha I hope there's no one unfortunate enough to take him seriously out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJGolf View Post
    Not really trying to bump and old thread but this guy now is trying to push "new" blackjack games.



    I find his prose very, very obtuse and hard to understand his thought process. I think it's going to be hard to find players for his new bj games.

    In any event, he really has a "hard on" for Norm for various reasons. On another board (won't mention specifically), every post he has usually starts off with some slam at Norm. Oh well, to each his own. I originally thought he might be a math professor with some good knowledge when first stumbled across his site. But he seems to confuse "hold" with house edge. And he continually claims that bust percentage for the dealer is larger than other books and authorities state. And that you are better off being at third base, allowing more players to bust in front of you, to give dealer better shot of busting. IF I understand his prose.........which I'm saying is difficult.

    I guess, I'm just trying to see if there are any links or threads that take his math to task and discount those findings or formulas. I'm not even close mathematically to understand how to refute. You guys?
    Basically, he takes the probability formula for determining the odds of x number of consecutive outcomes on an even bet, such as a fair coin toss, and distorts it to mean that after a number of consecutive same outcomes have occurred, it becomes more probable that the next trial will be a different outcome. The truth is, the odds of the next trial being a win are identical to the odds of the first trial being a win, fifty-fifty, or 50%. In other words, BEFORE flipping a coin in a fair coin toss, the odds are more than 99% you will not flip 10 heads in a row. However, once you have flipped 9 heads in a row, the odds are not now more than 99% for flipping a 10th heads, but remain 50%. This is because the 9 heads are in the past, and it's as if you are starting all over again. The coin has no memory, as some have phrased it, of what just happened, He takes this formula, actually plagiarizes it, and renames it the Fundamental Formula of Gambling, and the percentage developed he calls the Degree of Certainty.

    A certain number of his clients may actually get lucky and win, thereby giving testimony to his "system." It's as if I told you that San Francisco would win the World Series with 99.9% Degree of Certainty, and I told another poster that Kansas City would win the World Series with 99.9% Degree of Certainty. One of you might swear by my amazing feat of predicting the future, when in fact, I had no clue who would win. It's possible to win with a phony system, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the merits of the system. The one thing that is sure is that if you use his system long enough, you will go broke. It's actually a formula for disaster.
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    I ran a sim with about 10,000,000 sessions.
    How did you run this sim, did you use a special software or did you program it yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inv View Post
    How did you run this sim, did you use a special software or did you program it yourself?
    That's funny. LOL

    Norm is the programmer of the industry standard software for BJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    That's funny. LOL

    Norm is the programmer of the industry standard software for BJ.
    LOL, so where's the cave section of this Forum where I can go hide in?

    So I take it Norm programmed it himself then! What's the name of his BJ software?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inv View Post
    LOL, so where's the cave section of this Forum where I can go hide in?

    So I take it Norm programmed it himself then! What's the name of his BJ software?
    He sells CVdata and CVCX as a package. They both have different capabilities and can be purchased separately but you save money buying them as a pair. I am not sure which Norm used in the sim mentioned in the thread.
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